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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On December 06 2012 16:48 sagefreke wrote: Infestor got nerfed into oblivion lol. I almost think it's too much. Infestor got nerfed, but Zerg has a lot of new toys in HotS Terran not so much which is why I think they got a lot of buffs to existing units since Blizzard hasn't yet figured out what to give Terran as a new 3rd unit (if they give Terran a Warhound replacement) | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On December 06 2012 16:30 DemigodcelpH wrote: Faulty logic. That only makes sense if Terran has a personal medivac for every marine which obviously isn't feasible. In reality Marines will still be murdered by Protoss and Zerg AoE just not as fast late game. It's also a very reasonable change when you consider that Ultralisks have buffed damage now. What Zerg AoE? The Fungal which you can now dodge, or the Ultralisks you can endlessly kite, which they conveniently neutered of the charge that allowed them to market them as a new Zerg unit in HotS? | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:04 udgnim wrote: Infestor got nerfed, but Zerg has a lot of new toys in HotS Terran not so much which is why I think they got a lot of buffs to existing units since Blizzard hasn't yet figured out what to give Terran as a new 3rd unit (if they give Terran a Warhound replacement) Terran doesn't get a third unit... | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:04 sitromit wrote: What Zerg AoE? The Fungal which you can now dodge, or the Ultralisks you can endlessly kite, which they conveniently neutered of the charge that allowed them to market them as a new Zerg unit in HotS? Ah... just wait for the next patch. Hydras now do 500% splash damage  | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:04 sitromit wrote: What Zerg AoE? The Fungal which you can now dodge, or the Ultralisks you can endlessly kite, which they conveniently neutered of the charge that allowed them to market them as a new Zerg unit in HotS? The damage change for Ultralisks could be a big deal against everything. It basically does over twice as much damage against non-armored units compared to before. | ||
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CloudMage
Canada221 Posts
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:26 Veldril wrote: Wait, did people misread the Medivac buff/upgrade? The increase healing/energy cost reduction only comes after the Caduceus Reactor upgrade is done. The increase healing does not come with the non upgraded medivac. That means it's more of a late game situation where Z would get their T3 composition with mineral/gas bank for 300 food push. And with Ultra upgrade, it would chew through Bio unit very very easily without increase in healing late game. Well said. There seems to be a lot of reaction to the medivac upgrade in this thread, but are people actually thinking? Ultralisks with 35 base damage will absolutely DESTROY bio with their AoE + all of the other AoE that already destroys bio. If anything without this medivac upgrade bio wouldn't even be viable anymore. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:03 Big J wrote: well, that's the whole point But the IT no upgrade change makes no sense at all... Units that don't profit from upgrades? What's next? Mechanical units that transform into bio? Mines that don't explode upon usage? No, just spells that don't benefit from upgrades that aren't intended to benefit the spell. You know, like how mech upgrades don't buff auto-turrets. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
I'll go ahead and predict a 0% chance that this stays in the game. This seems absolutely utterly ridiculous. I guess they really want us to use Infestors and never ever make Mutas in zvt... | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:12 Whitewing wrote: No, just spells that don't benefit from upgrades that aren't intended to benefit the spell. You know, like how mech upgrades don't buff auto-turrets. auto turrets are buildings... Even more, they have their own upgrades (Building armor, hi-sec, materials) | ||
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S1eth
Austria221 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:04 sitromit wrote: What Zerg AoE? The Fungal which you can now dodge, or the Ultralisks you can endlessly kite, which they conveniently neutered of the charge that allowed them to market them as a new Zerg unit in HotS? Wow, you write fungal and ultralisk in the same sentence and you're still unable to make the connection. Fungal roots marines. Marines can not kite when rooted. And you forgot banelings. | ||
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Crawdad
614 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:15 MilesTeg wrote: I can understand almost everything to a degree.... But the medivac healing buff... Wtf? I'll go ahead and predict a 0% chance that this stays in the game. This seems absolutely utterly ridiculous. I guess they really want us to use Infestors and never ever make Mutas in zvt... A buff that requires a 150/150 upgrade. It will probably be nerfed, but not necessarily removed. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:15 MilesTeg wrote: I can understand almost everything to a degree.... But the medivac healing buff... Wtf? I'll go ahead and predict a 0% chance that this stays in the game. This seems absolutely utterly ridiculous. I guess they really want us to use Infestors and never ever make Mutas in zvt... Mutalisks should never really engage with marines anyway unless they are 100% sure they can take them out. Kind of like TvP bio. Hence their speed buff so you can harrass more. Also, ultralisk with 35 splash to marines will destroy bio without the upgraded medivac. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
Terrans FIGHTING!!!! God I love that you only have a common upgade for ship and air veichles, best thing ever :D | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:10 sitromit wrote: The damage change is irrelevant when they can and will be kited endlessly. And they will still have the same pathing problems they've always had and run around like retards instead of attacking things half the time. You can't kite 8 ultralisks and a million cracklings running at you. There's also creep, fungal growth, Vipers, flanks, etc. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
That will definitely not stay in the game. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Better not hear any complaints from Terran their shit looks absolutely nuts. | ||
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