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On December 06 2012 16:11 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 16:09 Swartblits wrote:
Heart of the Swarm Beta patch 2.0.5
"Due to unpresendented strike action in protoss factory worker unions, the Protoss airforce cannot produce quality Voidrays, even the mighty mothership is a big dead weight now. With detection being so early and abundant the dark templars left for shakuras with little or any left for covert missions"
Heart of the Swarm Beta patch 2.0.6
"The Protoss race have been annihilated by an unknown elder god called Blizzard. There will only be 2 races in the game now although Protoss can be selected for lols just to see them die again."
Protoss is doing very badly currently in tourneys with a very big % of people playing Zerg. This is the time of the zerg just being op in general, so why for the love of.. does blizz go and nerf away 3 Protoss units. Is it too much to ask for Protoss to have an air or ground harasser unit that don't require some kind of gimmick to harrras the worker line?
-_-
Suppose well see.
Yeah, it's not a gimmick. Oracles kill workers EXTREMELY quickly. I also don't see how you can say that they've nerfed away void rays. They have an actual role now, and one they will likely fill quite nicely. Sky Toss now seems to have way better synergy than before, and is shaping up to be a completely valid playstyle with minimal gateway support required.
I had a chance to test oracles vs Zerglings too... and they kill zerglings very fast. Methinks they could be used to back up a ground force vs mass zergling, or just be a cheap defense vs zergling runbys.
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...dude the terran and protoss changes are sooo lame...reapers can kite everything with the speed upgrade, even zerglings WTF LOL it should be that nothing is faster on ground than zerglings. Medivac acceleration for 8 seconds, cool down for 20 seconds, so essentially they can get away from anything and the real cooldown is only 12 in game seconds which is like nothing. I don't think they're buffing terran the right way with these changes. As for protoss, wtf are they doing with the VR? why does everything need to be a spell caster now -_-
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On December 06 2012 09:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 09:13 iSoak wrote:
Rather than make zerg and protoss more micro intensive, they've made terran less micro intensive.
oracle is still retarted.
widow mine is still stupid and boring (imo. a pet peeve actually, so much potential wasted...).
dark shrine cheese has been extremely buffed
infestor still in the game
Deathballs still abound. Idra disagrees: "new hots patch seems like a good patch for good players. stuff might be imbalanced but it'll be much more entertaining than wol has been." Idra is happy with a patch, your point is invalid.
My god. Even Idra is happy with this patch.
The world is officially ending, and so is my SC2 boycott. It feels good to be back.
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i remember someone posting yesterday "2/3 of the changes will be awesome 1/3 of the changes will make people go wtf"
was pretty on spot. this patch has some awesome ideas, but some things just seem overly weird.
medivac buff is an indirect nerf considering the cost i guess. makes more sense than ever to snipe them.
terran becomes more an more a race of transformers, not sure what to think of thor change yet
tempest nerf was unavoidable, at least dark shrine finally got cheaper, build time reduction would have been nice as well tho
some of the changes like seeker missile are so weird i cant even judge if i like them
lots of testing will have to be done 
edit: one thing that blizzard seems to struggle with specifically is trying to find unique roles for sooo many air units in the protoss arsenal. phoenix, voids, oracle, tempest, carrier they all kinda overlap in one way or the other, which is pretty unavoidable...
that said, the new phoenix changes might make them too good, but lets see...
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On December 06 2012 16:20 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 16:00 Rabiator wrote:On December 06 2012 15:56 akademikx wrote:
wow HotS might not be awful now Yeah ... it looks like "totally terribly awful" now after this "sledgehammer balancing" by Blizzard. The only saving grace is that there are still some months to go until this expansion is released, but I doubt they will have a stable balance by then since they feel that such huge balance changes are necessary. Not just balance changes. Design changes. They could have easily balanced what they had in 2.0.1 by release time, but that would be no fun. Big changes like this are what's needed to keep HotS fresh and better than WoL.
These changes are not just fresh, but for the most part are excellent changes for the game. For example, they added pretty big buffs to the more micro intensive units: medivacs ( a huge boost for people who pay focus on their drops), mutas got a speed buff to improve their harass potential (giving strong zerg players such as life an option to outplay their opponent better through sheer multitask), the phoenix was buffed to be able to deal with mutas (phoenix are incredibly apm taxing), the oracle is now a powerful harass unit (that thing is a paper airplane, clearly requires good reaction time/control), medivacs again to improve bio play to keep a very challeing syle competitive, infestors nerfed to shift the zerg playstyle over to vipers hopefully (much more skill-requiring than infestors), and so on. These buffs are very exciting.
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On December 06 2012 16:24 FoShao wrote:
...dude the terran and protoss changes are sooo lame...reapers can kite everything with the speed upgrade, even zerglings WTF LOL it should be that nothing is faster on ground than zerglings.
Incorrect, Speedlings are still faster than Nitro Reapers, especially on Creep.
On December 06 2012 16:24 FoShao wrote:
Medivac acceleration for 8 seconds, cool down for 20 seconds, so essentially they can get away from anything and the real cooldown is only 12 in game seconds which is like nothing.
Can someone verify that this is actually how cooldowns work in SC2?
On December 06 2012 16:24 FoShao wrote:As for protoss, wtf are they doing with the VR? why does everything need to be a spell caster now -_-
It only has one ability, which does not even require energy. By your logic, the Zealot is a spellcaster.
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On December 06 2012 16:21 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 09:11 GenesisX wrote:
Infestors kinda suck now since ITs don't scale with ranged upgrades. Pretty much suck against late game armies. Not true at all. Winning every battle with 100 supply of free upgraded infested marines PLUS the Zerg 200/200 super army was blatantly and utterly imbalanced. Now it will be balanced.
Yeah, this relegates IT to their intended role, imo. That of damage absorption/cannon fodder in large fights, and economy harass. They will still fulfill these roles quite well.
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On December 06 2012 09:22 Cyro wrote:
If you crash into his army of marines with some medivacs over you need 3 or more lings of surface area per marine TO DO ANY DAMAGE AT ALL.
Faulty logic. That only makes sense if Terran has a personal medivac for every marine which obviously isn't feasible. In reality Marines will still be murdered by Protoss and Zerg AoE just not as fast late game.
It's also a very reasonable change when you consider that Ultralisks have buffed damage now.
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What a patch.
Really wish I had HotS now 
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At this point they should just get rid of the Mothership all together. Keep the MS Core and bring back the Arbiter. Stasis needs to happen again.
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Medivac
Health restored per second from 9 to 15
Seems obscene.
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On December 06 2012 16:24 FoShao wrote:As for protoss, wtf are they doing with the VR? why does everything need to be a spell caster now -_-
It only has one ability, which does not even require energy. By your logic, the Zealot is a spellcaster.[/QUOTE]
No, the zealot legs upgrade is an automatic "spell" and because of that I wouldn't consider that a real spellcaster. zealot legs you can just either turn it on automatic or off. The VR I presume you'll actually have to select VR's in battle and press the hotkey for the new spell to be casted. That's what I meant by it being a spellcaster.
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On December 06 2012 09:29 Breach_hu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 09:23 HolydaKing wrote:
wow, was Zerg so OP in HotS before this patch? this patch reads as a huge protoss and terran buff and i'm not sure if zerg is buffed at all (given the infestor nerf). it depends on how useful hydras are by now, i guess... Yes it was, every Zerg just made roaches/swarmhosts, then Hydras to get more DPS and get Vipers later on, and every matchup got solved, and they could do that while they had 4-5k in the bank, beating maxed out P or T armies with a lots of tanks (hello blinding cloud) and abduct made colossi look silly. It was really funny to have an army as terran (i played againts Idra like 3-4 games on ladder for example) and he just rolled a 200/200 2-2 terran army with 2-2 roach/hydra backed up with 4-5 fully charged viper (hello consume) not even losing half of his army. My army was spread out to negate blinding cloud's effect, but even then my tanks werent shooting at all and i just witnessed that he just murdered my army with an army which has 5k less army value.
More or less this. No Zerg should be complaining about ANYTHING right now. The above doesn't even consider the past 1.5 years of Wings of Lings, and is specific to the HotS metagame.
On December 06 2012 16:36 Dealer009 wrote:
Medivac
Health restored per second from 9 to 15
Seems obscene.
Not so much.
On December 06 2012 09:22 DemigodcelpH wrote:
In reality Marines will still be murdered by Protoss and Zerg AoE just not as fast late game.
It's also a very reasonable change when you consider that Ultralisks have buffed damage now.
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Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 16:36 FoShao wrote:On December 06 2012 16:24 FoShao wrote:As for protoss, wtf are they doing with the VR? why does everything need to be a spell caster now -_- It only has one ability, which does not even require energy. By your logic, the Zealot is a spellcaster. No, the zealot legs upgrade is an automatic "spell" and because of that I wouldn't consider that a real spellcaster. zealot legs you can just either turn it on automatic or off. The VR I presume you'll actually have to select VR's in battle and press the hotkey for the new spell to be casted. That's what I meant by it being a spellcaster.
More activated abilities is good. It forces tactical decisions, and rewards players that are better at multitasking and handling complex engagements.
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On December 06 2012 16:33 Savko wrote:
At this point they should just get rid of the Mothership all together. Keep the MS Core and bring back the Arbiter. Stasis needs to happen again.
They fully intend to remove the mothership from high level games and pro games. They want it to be purely for casual players who like big awesome looking fun units without really knowing anything.
So.... okay I guess. Kind of silly but whatever.
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Although some of these are good, a lot of the changes look either totally random, or counterproductive. I guess the Colossus isn't going to get modified in any way.
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More activated abilities is good. It forces tactical decisions, and rewards players that are better at multitasking and handling complex engagements.
yea, I know, but I mean with the direction blizzard is taking SC2 with these patches, it's soon gonna be a whole army full of spell casters which I feel is rather counter intuitive. I mean think of protoss late game armies right now: sentries,oracle,stalkers,high templar, and maybe VR. the non spell casters of the army are now zealots and colossus(few that don't need to be bothered at all) :/ I dunno that's just my two cents on the matter
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On December 06 2012 16:43 FoShao wrote:Show nested quote +More activated abilities is good. It forces tactical decisions, and rewards players that are better at multitasking and handling complex engagements. yea, I know, but I mean with the direction blizzard is taking SC2 with these patches, it's soon gonna be a whole army full of spell casters which I feel is rather counter intuitive. I mean think of protoss late game armies right now: sentries,oracle,stalkers,high templar, and maybe VR. the non spell casters of the army are now zealots and colossus(few that don't need to be bothered at all) :/ I dunno that's just my two cents on the matter
It's gonna be effing tough to micro all of that lol.
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On December 06 2012 16:42 Hier wrote:
Although some of these are good, a lot of the changes look either totally random, or counterproductive. I guess the Colossus isn't going to get modified in any way.
This is likely only the first pass of many changes to the old units. I hope to god Colossus and Carrier get some attention, but especially the Carrier.
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wow, patch notes sound amazing. Medivacs & Ultras sound like they are the new imba shit
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