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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:18 EleanorRIgby wrote: the muta buff is a much bigger deal then most people think, they are fast as hell now! Phoenixes and Oracles (25 anti-light dps) can kill mutalisks quickly | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10378 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:15 Psychobabas wrote: I dont understand why Infested Terrans dont benefit from upgrades. That should be changed back in my opinion or they will be useless. Because infestor is a midgame/T2 caster not a lategame/T3 caster like Viper. So Viper+hydra are supposed to fill up its AA+support roles in lategame. Not that you're not supposed to use infestors in the lategame, but there are other units now so its role can be phased out a bit. | ||
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Crawdad
614 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:20 Existor wrote: Phoenixes and Oracles (25 anti-light dps) can kill mutalisks quickly Tested, Oracles cannot actually target air units. | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:56 Ben... wrote: Wait, Terran got buffed? What is this? Did someone do a hostile takeover of Blizzard and make them do sensible changes? I'm actually considering if this is all a cruel joke from Blizzard or a dream that the community will awake from, though it is true that we've been shoving them actual statistics for a year now despite their magical PR "everything is balanced" magical numbers. Or maybe a corrupt CEO was assassinated. Who knows. | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:18 Psychobabas wrote: Mutalisks should never really engage with marines anyway unless they are 100% sure they can take them out. Kind of like TvP bio. Hence their speed buff so you can harrass more. Also, ultralisk with 35 splash to marines will destroy bio without the upgraded medivac. I agree. Although there are situations where you won't be able to use Mutas to clean drops anymore. But what I mean is.... Bio was already an army that is much more efficient than anything else, but dies to splash damage. Now it is even more efficient again non splash damage armies... But they also want us to use Infestors less? That's... Not gonna happen. If anything infestors just got even more important. And Mutas more cheesy and situational. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10378 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:21 Crawdad wrote: Tested, Oracles cannot actually target air units. I was confused but really happy once I found this out in game. I'm very surprised and impressed with how well Blizzard was able to reassign roles to Protoss air units. They are all different in many ways. It's not as simple as Unit A for ground, Unit B for light air, Unit C for armored air for example, which is awesome. | ||
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10378 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:25 summerloud wrote: so seeker missile has no splash damage any more? like someone noted, its basically a worse version of yamato now. id much prefer it to have splash than to deal huge target dmg no splash, and yea i miss blowing up stalkers/mutas with them | ||
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Crawdad
614 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:25 summerloud wrote: so seeker missile has no splash damage any more? like someone noted, its basically a worse version of yamato now. id much prefer it to have splash than to deal huge target dmg It is not inherently worse. The Raven can fly away while HSM is charging, unlike the BC, and I don't think it requires research (still need to verify). | ||
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unteqair
United States308 Posts
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r_con
United States824 Posts
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Telenil
France484 Posts
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:24 MilesTeg wrote: I agree. Although there are situations where you won't be able to use Mutas to clean drops anymore. But what I mean is.... Bio was already an army that is much more efficient than anything else, but dies to splash damage. Now it is even more efficient again non splash damage armies... But they also want us to use Infestors less? That's... Not gonna happen. If anything infestors just got even more important. And Mutas more cheesy and situational. I think the aim is to continue using infestors as normal in the mid game, but they arent as strong in the late, hence the infested terran nerf and range nerf (although I disagree with the non-upgradable Infested Terran nerf). Also, dont forget that you will be able to hold off bio pushes with swarm hosts support as well (aka free units). So the role of the infestor has been kind of split into the Swarm host and the actual infestor itself. It still translates into the late game, but Zerg will now need extra support from vipers etc. It's basically like this: Infestor in Wing of Liberty = Viper, Swarm Host and Infestor in Heart of the Swarm, as far as roles and utility are concerned. | ||
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unteqair
United States308 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:28 Telenil wrote: Incredibly massive changes, although I'm disappointed that of all Stargate units, carriers are still the only one who still didn't get any change... I think that change will come. They've talked of buffing carriers on multiple occasions and said they saw nony's video. | ||
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MChrome
Netherlands201 Posts
PDD > Fungal now. Iiiiiinteresting. Seeker missile doesn't need upgrades. Iiiiinteresting. Seeker missile range 10. IIIInteresting. 300 single target damage. Iiiiinteresting. This will make ravens rather popular in the lategame now me thinks. Though, i'd rather have kept the old style missile, old damage, aoe, slow and dodgable, just with 10 range. The new one seems to be making battlecruisers completely and entirely pointless. | ||
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aqbabaq
Sweden65 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:27 unteqair wrote: You all should see the Protoss complaint threads on bnet forums. I was surprised; I thought people would be happy. would be happy?? over what? unbeatable bio with speed medivacs? sure sounds like fun.... | ||
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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:31 ChromeBallz wrote: Hmm.... PDD > Fungal now. Iiiiiinteresting. Seeker missile doesn't need upgrades. Iiiiinteresting. Seeker missile range 10. IIIInteresting. 300 single target damage. Iiiiinteresting. This will make ravens rather popular in the lategame now me thinks. Though, i'd rather have kept the old style missile, old damage, aoe, slow and dodgable, just with 10 range. The new one seems to be making battlecruisers completely and entirely pointless. PDD > Fungal ? Just because fungal is a "missile" doesn't mean a PDD will shoot it down. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On December 06 2012 17:31 ChromeBallz wrote: Hmm.... PDD > Fungal now. Iiiiiinteresting. Seeker missile doesn't need upgrades. Iiiiinteresting. Seeker missile range 10. IIIInteresting. 300 single target damage. Iiiiinteresting. This will make ravens rather popular in the lategame now me thinks. Though, i'd rather have kept the old style missile, old damage, aoe, slow and dodgable, just with 10 range. The new one seems to be making battlecruisers completely and entirely pointless. Especially with the tempest having +damage to massive air, and zerg having viper don't see a reason to ever get BC's. But that's not a terrible thing. It's not like BC's are that interesting anyways. | ||
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