HotS balance update #8 - Page 45

On December 06 2012 15:04 Asturas wrote:
I like most of it. Except for Mutalisk speed increase and lower Dark Shrine cost. My reaction is simply: why? Terrans are now really fucked and good luck to Protosses defending Mutas :D PvP will be DT Wars and TvP will be, "let's check if you have detection"...

And one more thing. New Medivac looks awesome. It looks like it may now be easier to escape after drops and it will be more useful lategame , but on the other hand higher cost will make it harder to use earlygame. Dunno, will see.

Overall I like the changes. I may finally play HOTS beta and be actually happy for preordering the game. Will see. I am though still not satisfied with the units Terran got :/

PS Thors useful in TvP again? :D My dream since this nonsense cooldown into energy patch.

On December 06 2012 15:12 harperwillis wrote:
Look it's a GREAT PATCH.

BUT Here's my issue with terran buffs: In keeping with the terran design from the very begining, they don't require much skill to use.

just humor my anecdote from WOL:

I encounter a big MMM in mid game with some vikings, and I am protoss

Enemy Terran: presses stim, and then A button, goes and takes a crap. (APM = 3)

Me, Protoss: tab to sentry! drop forcefields! tab to blink stalkers! blink under vikings! focus fire vikings! tab to collosus! studder step! tab to sentries drop more forcefileds! CRAP NO ENERGY! micro zealots back! tab to blink stalkers! blink back! (APM = 200)

MMM stims through, crushes through anyway. blah blah

My point is it would be great if widow mines, thors etc. required some skill/APM to use. Not just drop a widow mine in his base, burrow and kill 60 workers in 40 seconds. I think that should take at least 3 APM? To repond, other player has to bring detection and army units and micro them the correct distance--maybe 10-20 APM?


Even if on paper the units and abilities of terran seem balanced I sometimes feel like the race as a whole is just EASY to play compared to other races, especially at gold-to-diamond levels. Think about all the new air abilities for Toss--they're great expect Im going to have to increase my APM by about 100 and create 5 new hot key groups to use all of them effectively.Seems to me that Terran's new features require much less skill and APM to use

Let's reverse the trend--give Tempest smart firing so they don't stack 14 shots on a single zergling unless you micro each one individually--or make it so that thors have to aim their new fangled anti air gun and can't just wipe out your entire fleet by forgetting their thors and widow mines in the middle of the map while they move a command center to a new expansion.

On December 06 2012 14:58 emc wrote:
just tested seeker missile. You can target one unit and it paints the unit red. If that unit runs away while the missile charges for 3 seconds, the missile will fizz out. it will one shot 1 immortal, so hardened shields aren't effected, however the seeker missile now doesn't do any splash damage. But even if you run away after the missile is released, the missile won't miss.

After the raven uses the seeker, the raven can also be microed back, the raven doesn't need to baby sit the missile. Hope that clears up some.

On December 06 2012 15:10 convention wrote:

That is about the same time that it would take equal cost of mutas to rip through a mineral line. Or a medivac drop.

On December 06 2012 15:12 Crawdad wrote:
Does the Thor's High-Impact attack still have splash damage?

On December 06 2012 15:18 Fig wrote:
I don't understand why the medivac speed ability doesn't just use energy. It would be perfect, considering the medivac already uses it to heal! It would give medivacs that tension of whether to rush to the front lines or preserve their energy. As it is now, whenever there isn't a fight, you'll be using that cooldown ability every 20 secs to fly them around faster overall. So silly to have a cooldown ability and an energy ability on the same unit.

On December 06 2012 15:21 Asturas wrote:


Not really a coincidence ;P + Terran finally deserve to be buffed. And I am biased, sorry :D

On December 06 2012 15:20 SarcasmMonster wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUYONZKGFl0

First impression: Medivac speed boost needs an energy cost.

On December 06 2012 15:12 harperwillis wrote:
Look it's a GREAT PATCH.

BUT Here's my issue with terran buffs: In keeping with the terran design from the very begining, they don't require much skill to use.

just humor my anecdote from WOL:

I encounter a big MMM in mid game with some vikings, and I am protoss

Enemy Terran: presses stim, and then A button, goes and takes a crap. (APM = 3)

Me, Protoss: tab to sentry! drop forcefields! tab to blink stalkers! blink under vikings! focus fire vikings! tab to collosus! studder step! tab to sentries drop more forcefileds! CRAP NO ENERGY! micro zealots back! tab to blink stalkers! blink back! (APM = 200)

MMM stims through, crushes through anyway. blah blah

My point is it would be great if widow mines, thors etc. required some skill/APM to use. Not just drop a widow mine in his base, burrow and kill 60 workers in 40 seconds. I think that should take at least 3 APM? To repond, other player has to bring detection and army units and micro them the correct distance--maybe 10-20 APM?


Even if on paper the units and abilities of terran seem balanced I sometimes feel like the race as a whole is just EASY to play compared to other races, especially at gold-to-diamond levels. Think about all the new air abilities for Toss--they're great expect Im going to have to increase my APM by about 100 and create 5 new hot key groups to use all of them effectively.Seems to me that Terran's new features require much less skill and APM to use

Let's reverse the trend--give Tempest smart firing so they don't stack 14 shots on a single zergling unless you micro each one individually--or make it so that thors have to aim their new fangled anti air gun and can't just wipe out your entire fleet by forgetting their thors and widow mines in the middle of the map while they move a command center to a new expansion.