EPTHotS balance update #8 - Page 25
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:13 playa wrote: Omg, I didn't think of that. Sucks, as I think the tempest was one of the big reasons for p vs p becoming a more enjoyable mu to play. Mass tempests never really seemed like that great of an idea unless it's on a small map like Aikon (or w/e it's called). Mass expand > tempest play. But, if you made some tempest, then it would cue the other player to simply limit how many colossi they would make, so you don't end up with "war of the worlds" every game. I'm curious to see just how big of a buff the dt's got, especially in p vs z. The opening already seemed pretty strong. No complaints here on that front. Almost sounds too good to be true. Hopefully not too good to last. As for promoting medivac drops... I personally thought there were too many drops as is. Maybe not too many drops per se, but way too many uncontested drops in t vs z. As a viewer, I would do anything to see the scourge come back. Even if they could target the colosus, I can't even imagine seeing even more uncontested drops in t vs z without giving up watching. Blizz also said they didn't want the tempest fully countering late game Zerg (it was the "answer" for both broods AND ultras with it's +massive damage) and now, it's still a good answer to broodlords, and you won't be completely screwed after the switch to ultras (lol can't shoot up) but it doesn't counter them as hard. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
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Poll: Who got the most EXCITING changes? Terran (173) Protoss (7) Zerg (6) 186 total votes Your vote: Who got the most EXCITING changes? | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
They aren't considered air.... they're ground. There's a reason thors use their ground attack vs them. | ||
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Inquisitor1323
370 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:23 mierin wrote: Hmm, looks good but I hope we don't enter a "patchterran" phase... Don't worry if that happened Blizzard would fix it in less than a week. | ||
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Account252508
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:24 FabledIntegral wrote: They aren't considered air.... they're ground. There's a reason thors use their ground attack vs them. There was a while when WoL was new that thors would use air attacks against collossi if they were at the edge of thor range, and only switch to ground attacks when the target got close enough (because the ground attack has a much smaller range). I'm not sure if that's still the case - I haven't actually played the game seriously in almost a year. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:24 FabledIntegral wrote: They aren't considered air.... they're ground. There's a reason thors use their ground attack vs them. I thought things just chose the better attack if they were different? But now Idk why I think that. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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iNbluE
Switzerland674 Posts
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dw.Justify
Germany34 Posts
BUT THE IMBALANCE IS SO OBVIOUS (ok its just a beta but ... even here it scares me) medivac changes are much too drastic that cant be the right way. The speed is so high even faster then mutaliscs with new speed ^^. And the healing will be so powerfull its a 60 % healting buff. Also terran mech is rly rly strong in hots vs P. Just tempest totally owns it but this will not be the case anymore with the new patch. And mech will now be even stronger espc when thor rly has no more energy I think most zerg changes are ok. But muta speed... this is not rly necessary makes them just more annyoning but not better in fighting. Im myself protoss, i think dt shrine is now too cheap but makes me anyway happy :-) dt pwnage but in caste of balance its prob also shit . Tempest beeing tier 3 together with carrier and no more + dmg vs massive ground will make it never been played again so tempest is no more new unit. Blizzard said themselv since toss has now tempest they dont need vortex anymore vs Broodlords. But tempest will not be build against broodlords i guess but time will tell (carriers are better in this case and they also dont rly work). (tempest dps is 9 vs massive 18) carrier has 25 dps against everything carrier range is 8 first later 14 so its not a big difference between those 2 but im not sure. In every caste the medivac speed and heal is shit this is 4 sure. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:16 Gormeroth wrote: I'm going to just point out an interesting little connection I made. Yamato Cannon: 10 range 3 second charge/activation time 125 energy 300 damage Hunter Seeker Missile: Ditto yo Yamato has 20 range once activated while new HSM has 13 once it is activated. | ||
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Swish 41
Germany154 Posts
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Account252508
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KovuTalli
United Kingdom325 Posts
- I play Terran btw this isn't a whine. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On December 06 2012 08:33 Xanbatou wrote: they change everything so dramatically except for fungal growth -_-. Why don't they make it a slow that lasts for eight second and does no damage but is castable while burrowed? it would be a cool change to try and much better than the root it ids now, even if they make it a projectile EDIT: I just realized that with this new buffed medivac healing rate, it might actually be better to neural parasite medivacs. Doing this will not only prevent the medivacs from healing terran infantry, but the stolen medivacs will also heal your own units. I should assume that all the changes in WoL will be imported into HotS if they work out in WoL. Therefore, the Fungal HAS been changed. | ||
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Pimpmuckl
Germany528 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:27 dw.Justify wrote: I just post it again because the amount of new posts here is incredeble and all people just seem to love the patch because it brings alot of new features (ok there are some people that talk about the imbalance) BUT THE IMBALANCE IS SO OBVIOUS (ok its just a beta but ... even here it scares me) medivac changes are much too drastic that cant be the right way. The speed is so high even faster then mutaliscs with new speed ^^. And the healing will be so powerfull its a 60 % healting buff. Also terran mech is rly rly strong in hots vs P. Just tempest totally owns it but this will not be the case anymore with the new patch. And mech will now be even stronger espc when thor rly has no more energy I think most zerg changes are ok. But muta speed... this is not rly necessary makes them just more annyoning but not better in fighting. Im myself protoss, i think dt shrine is now too cheap but makes me anyway happy :-) dt pwnage but in caste of balance its prob also shit . Tempest beeing tier 3 together with carrier and no more + dmg vs massive ground will make it never been played again so tempest is no more new unit. Blizzard said themselv since toss has now tempest they dont need vortex anymore vs Broodlords. But tempest will not be build against broodlords i guess but time will tell (carriers are better in this case and they also dont rly work). (tempest dps is 9 vs massive 18) carrier has 25 dps against everything carrier range is 8 first later 14 so its not a big difference between those 2 but im not sure. In every caste the medivac speed and heal is shit this is 4 sure. Go ahead and repost on every page just to put your opinion on everyone. Yes, the changes are so much that mostly in the current "meta" they will break the game but you just can't see how the meta will unfold with those changes. Take the infestor, there was done NOTHING to the unit. The queen got buffed and suddenly it got imbalanced. Why? Because the meta shifted. Same procedure here. Let's see how stuff will go and THEN complain about balance in an early beta stage (yea yea yea you see the bull here?). Overall interesting changes, want to see some koreans come up with crazy stuff plssssssss. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10646 Posts
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