EPTI bet they're typing it up right now, and it's taking a while cus of all the changes they'd have to explain!
HotS balance update #8 - Page 27
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10382 Posts
I bet they're typing it up right now, and it's taking a while cus of all the changes they'd have to explain! | ||
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dw.Justify
Germany34 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:36 phyre112 wrote: Yeah, it's just beta. It doesn't matter - as evidenced by this patch, there's still miles of flexibility left to go before we have anything to worry about. The speed is also a short term boost, to aid in drops, and help the medivac escape after full army engagements. It's short term, you can still pick off medivacs with mutas, or if you have enough skill root them with fungal. The heal increase requires an expensive upgrade, and will be a significant part of the late game, but won't be seen in the midgame where it would be "too powerful". Mech is supposed to be really strong, and beat everything in a straight up engagement. You're supposed to run around it, abuse its mobility, etc. - it encourages a completely different playstyle from both players. And with thor's new change, they'll have to "seige" just like tanks. Contributes even more to immobility. With the buffs to phoenix, the existence of the widow mine, and the prevalence of infestor play (and lack of muta play in the midgame) the buff keeps them beatable (just the opponent has to commit to one of those) but still viable as harass. If you're going to nerf the infestor, Zerg needs something to compensate. Widow Mine. and at the start of WoL, we thought broodlords would never be used. Tempests are still a great unit, and they do a Ton of damage vs. broodlords - they just don't answer everything, and you have to come up with some other way to respond to ultras too. Gives zerg options and forces P to play smart. There's something significant to be said about Burst damage vs continuous damage when talking about engagements. Carriers have significant design flaws other than their damage - that's not the reason they aren't used (it's the "hardness" of their counters, the expense, the build time, how fast interceptors die, the critical mass effect, the importance of upgrading them, etc.) On December 06 2012 10:27 dw.Justify wrote: Im myself protoss, i think dt shrine is now too cheap but makes me anyway happy :-) dt pwnage but in caste of balance its prob also shit Widow Mine. Widow mine doesnt hit them anymore  | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:42 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Also, I CANT WAIT FOR THE "thoughts on patch #8" I bet they're typing it up right now, and it's taking a while cus of all the changes they'd have to explain! My thoughts on patch #8: Hurry up and put it up. | ||
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JauFive
United States3 Posts
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
Can't wait to see this. | ||
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Kyrao
United States161 Posts
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Eps
Canada240 Posts
Armory The Armory now only has one weapon and one armor upgrade for both air and ground upgrades for both Factory and Starport units. ^ Why isn't this in WoL to begin with? If they wanted to encourage play away from Bio-Heavy MMM, this was needed a long time ago. It just seems like with the removal of the Warhound, they're just buffing existing units extensively to compensate. While I do like the Medivac change, it's just encouraging more MMM. Something I thought they're trying to step away from. Similarly the Thor change would have been great for WoL to give Mech a viable counter to Armored Air, without going for some unupgraded Vikings. Re-edit - Misread some changes. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
Combat drugs (Reapers), unstable payload (Widow Mine), High-Impact Payload/Explosive Payload (Thor), Kinetic Overload (Tempest)? I know I'm complaining about the most pointless things but it's better than theorycrafting before the Patch even launches | ||
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LOLItsRyann
England551 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:43 SarcasmMonster wrote: My thoughts on patch #8: Hurry up and put it up. Why can't they just put it up? Servers have been down for almost 12 hours now................. it's not even available for download. | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:47 LOLItsRyann wrote: Why can't they just put it up? Servers have been down for almost 12 hours now................. it's not even available for download. because it's not ready yet? obviously.. or would you prefer them posting it prematurely with bugs/crashes? | ||
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isaachukfan
Canada785 Posts
It just seems like with the removal of the Warhound, they're just buffing existing units extensively to compensate. While I do like the Medivac change, it's just encouraging more MMM. Something I thought they're trying to step away from. Similarly the Thor change would have been great for WoL to give Mech a viable counter to Armored Air, without going for some unupgraded Vikings. Bio, bio mech, mech and sky mech should all be viable builds is, I think, what Blizzard is trying to make happen. | ||
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chuminh
Australia36 Posts
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
I'd build it in every team game purely for fun | ||
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CelestialX
Canada32 Posts
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Swish 41
Germany154 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
Also, I can't help but notice all the 10 range buffs for various non-Zerg units. I wonder what that is meant to deal with hehehe. I am quite happy with these changes. They made Terran way better. The Raven actually seems useful now. Also, cheap DT Shrine is awesome. It should have been that cheap from the start. That change to the medivac upgrade is interesting. I imagine it will cause a lot more targeting of medivacs now. Maybe there is hope for HOTS. I was pretty skeptical for a while there. Edit: No I am not whining about Terran getting buffed if someone decides to take this out of context. It is meant to be a joke. Terran needed something badly. Double Edit: Maybe SC2 is meant to be good on odd years, because 2011 was great and it looks like if this keeps up 2013 will be too. | ||
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skurj
United States87 Posts
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Cassalina
United States65 Posts
i'm excited about the ultralisk change. should be sick vs terran everything now :D | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10382 Posts
On December 06 2012 10:43 SarcasmMonster wrote: My thoughts on patch #8: Hurry up and put it up. LOL what if their thoughts were actually just that "Thoughts on Patch #8: No explanations, go play the game before you all QQ" | ||
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chuminh
Australia36 Posts
). I was thinking of massing DT. | ||
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