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On October 07 2012 03:21 Dvriel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 02:57 Fig wrote:On October 07 2012 02:50 Dvriel wrote:On October 07 2012 02:40 ohampatu wrote:On October 07 2012 02:10 Dvriel wrote:On October 07 2012 01:58 Leviance wrote:
MorroW vs Dragon is showing how fun the new Widow mine is right now The Mine is maybe "fun to watch" but did not solve the main T issues: Late TvP and the TvT. How can mech with tanks stop the P Deathball? 5 Range mines cant do nothing vs Collosi+obs,and this allows Zealots to charge vs Tanks and once again let T die... TvT. Imagne you with your 10 mines,13 tanks and 20 hellions.The Enemy got 70 Marines+14 Tanks.He just scan,tanks kill Mines and marines go+stim and kill you.We still need TvT to allow mech be viable and BIO without tanks.Maybe if the Warhound come back then Pure Mech>Marine+Tank>Pure BIO>Pure Mech??? It makes me laugh that people still keep saying this. TvT is a very diverse MU, and is perfectly fine as is. Bio is a legit playstyle. Biomech is a legit playstyle. Mech is a legit playstyle. What more do you want. You can't really say they aren't legit playstyles, because MVP/Polt/MKP/Alive have shown that each style can excel vs either of the others. Sure.When was the last time MKP won a TvT without tanks?If there is any VOD or Replay,please show it.TvT is DIVERSE?All playstyle are legit,but not really strong and winning styles.The best is Marine+Tank.They may open pretty diverse but everything ends in Marine+Tank.Pure Bio cant beat marine+tank.You need tanks to defend or attack,because marines can prevent pretty well drops and got higher DPS than MArauders What are you asking for? It seems like you want TvT to be rock/paper/scissors. I'll tell you, that's what PvP has been for the whole history of SC2. And it's not fun. Be happy that you can play various styles and win with them. Don't ask for only barracks units (cheap and efficient) to be able to go toe to toe with stronger things (expensive and effective) all game long in huge engagements. Certain units are better at certain things, that's why they exist. Barracks units can't be good at everything or no one would make anything else. I am not looking fot Rock/paper/scissors.Just want to be able to play TvT without tanks.Is it so bad?There arent various styles in TvT.There is only Marine+Tank+Viking/Medivac. And if you dont remember,Barracks Units is the only thing we got in TvP...
Just watch any game by Polt. And I daresay he's pretty successful with Bio.
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Mothership Core:the new bunker!
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On October 07 2012 03:21 Dvriel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 02:57 Fig wrote:On October 07 2012 02:50 Dvriel wrote:On October 07 2012 02:40 ohampatu wrote:On October 07 2012 02:10 Dvriel wrote:On October 07 2012 01:58 Leviance wrote:
MorroW vs Dragon is showing how fun the new Widow mine is right now The Mine is maybe "fun to watch" but did not solve the main T issues: Late TvP and the TvT. How can mech with tanks stop the P Deathball? 5 Range mines cant do nothing vs Collosi+obs,and this allows Zealots to charge vs Tanks and once again let T die... TvT. Imagne you with your 10 mines,13 tanks and 20 hellions.The Enemy got 70 Marines+14 Tanks.He just scan,tanks kill Mines and marines go+stim and kill you.We still need TvT to allow mech be viable and BIO without tanks.Maybe if the Warhound come back then Pure Mech>Marine+Tank>Pure BIO>Pure Mech??? It makes me laugh that people still keep saying this. TvT is a very diverse MU, and is perfectly fine as is. Bio is a legit playstyle. Biomech is a legit playstyle. Mech is a legit playstyle. What more do you want. You can't really say they aren't legit playstyles, because MVP/Polt/MKP/Alive have shown that each style can excel vs either of the others. Sure.When was the last time MKP won a TvT without tanks?If there is any VOD or Replay,please show it.TvT is DIVERSE?All playstyle are legit,but not really strong and winning styles.The best is Marine+Tank.They may open pretty diverse but everything ends in Marine+Tank.Pure Bio cant beat marine+tank.You need tanks to defend or attack,because marines can prevent pretty well drops and got higher DPS than MArauders What are you asking for? It seems like you want TvT to be rock/paper/scissors. I'll tell you, that's what PvP has been for the whole history of SC2. And it's not fun. Be happy that you can play various styles and win with them. Don't ask for only barracks units (cheap and efficient) to be able to go toe to toe with stronger things (expensive and effective) all game long in huge engagements. Certain units are better at certain things, that's why they exist. Barracks units can't be good at everything or no one would make anything else. I am not looking fot Rock/paper/scissors.Just want to be able to play TvT without tanks.Is it so bad?There arent various styles in TvT.There is only Marine+Tank+Viking/Medivac. And if you dont remember,Barracks Units is the only thing we got in TvP...
I suggest you watch Polt. He has had very many games where he plays just bio. Shit, ive seen him play straight up Rauder only in TvT. Your complaining about the best mirror mu with wrong info dude
edit: see, the guy above me mentioned Polt as well. Bio is legit. I stand by my original point.
BioMech, Bio, and Mech are all viable in TvT. Some may be harder to play than others, and they all have their own pros/cons. But they are viable.
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rename the widow mine if its going to do this 'missile launch' thing. Its not a mine anymore >_>
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On October 07 2012 03:27 ArcticRaven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 03:21 Dvriel wrote:On October 07 2012 02:57 Fig wrote:On October 07 2012 02:50 Dvriel wrote:On October 07 2012 02:40 ohampatu wrote:On October 07 2012 02:10 Dvriel wrote:On October 07 2012 01:58 Leviance wrote:
MorroW vs Dragon is showing how fun the new Widow mine is right now The Mine is maybe "fun to watch" but did not solve the main T issues: Late TvP and the TvT. How can mech with tanks stop the P Deathball? 5 Range mines cant do nothing vs Collosi+obs,and this allows Zealots to charge vs Tanks and once again let T die... TvT. Imagne you with your 10 mines,13 tanks and 20 hellions.The Enemy got 70 Marines+14 Tanks.He just scan,tanks kill Mines and marines go+stim and kill you.We still need TvT to allow mech be viable and BIO without tanks.Maybe if the Warhound come back then Pure Mech>Marine+Tank>Pure BIO>Pure Mech??? It makes me laugh that people still keep saying this. TvT is a very diverse MU, and is perfectly fine as is. Bio is a legit playstyle. Biomech is a legit playstyle. Mech is a legit playstyle. What more do you want. You can't really say they aren't legit playstyles, because MVP/Polt/MKP/Alive have shown that each style can excel vs either of the others. Sure.When was the last time MKP won a TvT without tanks?If there is any VOD or Replay,please show it.TvT is DIVERSE?All playstyle are legit,but not really strong and winning styles.The best is Marine+Tank.They may open pretty diverse but everything ends in Marine+Tank.Pure Bio cant beat marine+tank.You need tanks to defend or attack,because marines can prevent pretty well drops and got higher DPS than MArauders What are you asking for? It seems like you want TvT to be rock/paper/scissors. I'll tell you, that's what PvP has been for the whole history of SC2. And it's not fun. Be happy that you can play various styles and win with them. Don't ask for only barracks units (cheap and efficient) to be able to go toe to toe with stronger things (expensive and effective) all game long in huge engagements. Certain units are better at certain things, that's why they exist. Barracks units can't be good at everything or no one would make anything else. I am not looking fot Rock/paper/scissors.Just want to be able to play TvT without tanks.Is it so bad?There arent various styles in TvT.There is only Marine+Tank+Viking/Medivac. And if you dont remember,Barracks Units is the only thing we got in TvP... Just watch any game by Polt. And I daresay he's pretty successful with Bio.
And mech by gumiho or MVP
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On October 07 2012 03:58 nilsheam wrote:
rename the widow mine if its going to do this 'missile launch' thing. Its not a mine anymore >_>
Maybe a better name would be: Sentinel Automated Defense System ---> SADS
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On October 07 2012 04:05 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 03:58 nilsheam wrote:
rename the widow mine if its going to do this 'missile launch' thing. Its not a mine anymore >_> Maybe a better name would be: Sentinel Automated Defense System ---> SADS
What about Perimeter Automated Nictating Defense-Aggression System?
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sentil is actually a good name for an units
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So if I'm playing PvT, and I see widow mines being used after a fast expansion, just get hallucinate and kill him? Cool.
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On October 07 2012 04:56 tehemperorer wrote:
So if I'm playing PvT, and I see widow mines being used after a fast expansion, just get hallucinate and kill him? Cool.
He can still turn the auto-attack off, just has to do it when the Mine is unburrowed.
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On October 07 2012 04:56 tehemperorer wrote:
So if I'm playing PvT, and I see widow mines being used after a fast expansion, just get hallucinate and kill him? Cool.
You can try, but you'll miss the sentry energy :p
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so.. with the widow mine.. they in a way just brought back the shredder?
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On October 07 2012 05:07 m3talsav10r wrote:
so.. with the widow mine.. they in a way just brought back the shredder?
In a way that is ok. Shredder wasnt ok. Widow mines i daresay what mech(=community supported playstyle) needs
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This is how the oracle is supposed to work: You clean an expansion but it has some buildings left, you send your oracle and cast the new ability on all those structures so you get some resources out of nothing but energy plus the cost of the unit, which would be quite useful if the game is late and have many bases and you have map control over the remains of one base. Not so bad, but still kinda lame I guess they can find a better ability than this.
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really like the Widow Mine changes.
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The siphon ability seems kind of odd. I could see it being useful if you had multiple oracles and it timed up well for a push, but even then its only like a couple minerals. I would say up the damage and minerals to 5, just to keep everything in order :D
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On October 07 2012 04:36 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 04:05 Salient wrote:On October 07 2012 03:58 nilsheam wrote:
rename the widow mine if its going to do this 'missile launch' thing. Its not a mine anymore >_> Maybe a better name would be: Sentinel Automated Defense System ---> SADS What about Perimeter Automated Nictating Defense-Aggression System?
Attack Structure Seeking Hilarious OverLord Ending
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On October 07 2012 04:36 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 04:05 Salient wrote:On October 07 2012 03:58 nilsheam wrote:
rename the widow mine if its going to do this 'missile launch' thing. Its not a mine anymore >_> Maybe a better name would be: Sentinel Automated Defense System ---> SADS What about Perimeter Automated Nictating Defense-Aggression System?
Just call it was it is:
Terran-Lurker
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On October 07 2012 06:00 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 04:36 Jerubaal wrote:On October 07 2012 04:05 Salient wrote:On October 07 2012 03:58 nilsheam wrote:
rename the widow mine if its going to do this 'missile launch' thing. Its not a mine anymore >_> Maybe a better name would be: Sentinel Automated Defense System ---> SADS What about Perimeter Automated Nictating Defense-Aggression System? Just call it was it is: Terran-Lurker
Terran-Reaver
FTFY
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On October 07 2012 06:00 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 04:36 Jerubaal wrote:On October 07 2012 04:05 Salient wrote:On October 07 2012 03:58 nilsheam wrote:
rename the widow mine if its going to do this 'missile launch' thing. Its not a mine anymore >_> Maybe a better name would be: Sentinel Automated Defense System ---> SADS What about Perimeter Automated Nictating Defense-Aggression System? Just call it was it is: Terran-Lurker
I feel like this conversation has crossed into the "at what point during the brainstorming process do you go "Fuck it, ninja pandas" territory.
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EPT
