|
Do not beg for keys, offer to trade things for keys, or offer to buy keys in this thread. |
People like to judge so early... Was watching the Ret's stream, and he is learning the new units, he didn't know how to use the Swarm Host at all. He don't know that he can stop the Locusts spawning, so he went for burrowing Swarm Hosts 1 by 1 and they spawn Locusts at different times, and he never had enough of them to do something.
The only thing that makes Swarm Hosts somehow balanced is that Locusts can't attack air anymore, they are absurdly overpowered vs. ground units, one Swarm Host spawn 2 Locusts that each has 65 hp, 16 damage, 3 range and 0.8 attack speed. That is higher dps than Hydralisk by a large margin.
The only thing is that people need to learn to use them.
|
Tempest and warhounds gameplax design arrrr:/
|
On September 06 2012 01:38 M7Jagger wrote: When will Blizzard give out beta keys to non-pros? They are already, its just a select few that they think are most suitable for the beta...I say the higher the league the higher the priority, my platinum friend that barely ever plays got a beta key..WTF BETA PREASE!
|
On September 06 2012 01:50 Killmouse wrote: Tempest and warhounds gameplax design arrrr:/
Easily my least favorite units so far.
|
so it seems terran mech has it all now?
|
On September 06 2012 01:32 Asha` wrote: Getting frustrated seeing people just cheese and all in with old units. Why are you even playing it >_<
Lots of people get in through friends/family beta. these people aren't really sc2 players.
|
On September 06 2012 01:52 never_Nal wrote: so it seems terran mech has it all now?
Except not fantastic anti-air, apparently.
But mixing in some vikings and marines seem to do the trick quite well, from what I've seen.
|
United Kingdom38199 Posts
On September 06 2012 01:52 Lunares wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 01:32 Asha` wrote: Getting frustrated seeing people just cheese and all in with old units. Why are you even playing it >_< Lots of people get in through friends/family beta. these people aren't really sc2 players.
It was more of a reaction to watching delphi (or someone as delphi) play Protoss, draw ForGG, and try to all in him twice.
SuperNova did it this morning too, just made hellions 1 warhound and pulled all scv's
Entertain me with new units and playstyles damn you so I can enjoy the beta vicariously through you =)
|
On September 06 2012 01:43 Evangelist wrote: Warhounds are going to get a pretty hard nerf I think and I don't think anyone will complain.
They seem a bit too good but I think the real problem is protoss and zerg (more zerg) are still figuring out what kind of unit composition they should be using now. They'll probably wait a bit before the first update balance wise
|
On September 06 2012 01:48 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 01:35 Plansix wrote:On September 06 2012 01:26 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote: My review of Beta after day 1, as protoss:
Cons: -Tempests suck. If somehow you can get them in masse by surprise, they're okay, but still worse than carriers by a large margin. In fact, the 1.5 change to carriers was really nice and carriers had almost made it, Tempests are such a large step back.
-Warhounds. Marine/warhound pushes are absurdley powerful, and for the cost, warhounds are so good with bio marine heavy armies. As a timing push, it appears to just strengthen terran's strongest time in the game, while doing nothing late-game.
Pros: -Oracle. It's not imba, but it's pretty fun to use, and it should really, really, really help PvP. Like this unit alone may actually solve all the rock paper scissor issues. It's also very useful to scout your opponents base with. Entombed is actually only okay compared to it's other abilities, it's a bit pricey and fragile to risk on just entombed. Mothership Core. Recall rocks. Everything else on it is useless as far as I can tell, but ~10 minute pressure timings vs T and Z that you can safely get out of are so good. Seriously, you can go a 2 rangeless collossi pressure, show up, do some damage and leave. Or if the terran was being more aggressive than you thought, just leave and defend. By far the most powerful ability added to toss.
-Widow Mines are interesting. They do literally nothing on mineral lines, I got 3x mines dropped on a line, didn't react just to see what would happen, and lost 6 out of 20 probes. Plus reacting is pretty easy. However, they did completely shut down DT harass when coupled with turrets. I think this may be the most interesting unit that will be great to watch in the distant future when people go crazy with them.
-UI Changes. They actually are all pretty nice, none of them seem to lower the skill ceiling. The only bad one is an option on by default that makes enemy units unselectable.
-Side Note: Was pretty funny to be placed into a league with Stephano, Idra, & Vibe. A gold league. Sure, it's because there is population yet in the ladder, etc, but still funny to be placed in the most brutal gold league ever.
Good to hear. I feel the tempest and swarmhost are going to be the last units work into their builds. Both are so dependant on support and how to support them that we will have a hard time figuring how to make them work. Also glad to hear that Entomb is not the be all end all. On a side note, I saw Thorzain's stream yesterday and a ton of warhounds got mauled by some staggered tanks. They killed the first one or two, but got dusted by the remaining tanks. Warhound do not fire as fast as I thought they would. Dimaga has been destroying with the Swarm Host. His army composition revolves around Swarm Host, Infestors, and Corruptors. It's very potent. He's also probably #1 on the ladder atm.
Swarm Host + infestor sounds like it would be beastly, but could be dealt with if you would stop it from setting up outside your base. Or maybe dropping their base in response are the key, since it is going to be so slow.
|
Biggest problem is that Warhound, even coming from factory isn't a mech unit. Throwing away EVERYTHING that made meching fun and interesting.
|
Yea I Think it will be interesting to see the new TvZ and how it will develop using battle helions as "firebats", will bring some interesting timings on the early/mid game
|
United Kingdom12022 Posts
I really hope the mine gets a buff, 2 supply for a single mine? T_T
|
On September 06 2012 01:54 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 01:52 Lunares wrote:On September 06 2012 01:32 Asha` wrote: Getting frustrated seeing people just cheese and all in with old units. Why are you even playing it >_< Lots of people get in through friends/family beta. these people aren't really sc2 players. It was more of a reaction to watching delphi (or someone as delphi) play Protoss, draw ForGG, and try to all in him twice. SuperNova did it this morning too, just made hellions 1 warhound and pulled all scv's Entertain me with new units and playstyles damn you so I can enjoy the beta vicariously through you =)
The Pros are going to cheese first and we should be thankful they are. People forget, there are no builds, no timings, no safe ways to play in the beta. We are starting from the ground up when it comes to builds and knowing if they can stop cheese is the core to any build.
|
On September 06 2012 01:58 Qikz wrote: I really hope the mine gets a buff, 2 supply for a single mine? T_T Yeah fosure. Also kinda hope they bring back a timer. 2 (blizzard) seconds should do it. It feels A LOT like the spider mine currently. This would make it a little more unique. Increase the damage and add a very very small timer back. Enough so that only pro-gamers can split it out with perfect control.
Also I miss the scout. It was great having a rofl / bm unit in the game :D
|
On September 06 2012 01:51 timdoozy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 01:38 M7Jagger wrote: When will Blizzard give out beta keys to non-pros? They are already, its just a select few that they think are most suitable for the beta...I say the higher the league the higher the priority, my platinum friend that barely ever plays got a beta key..WTF BETA PREASE!
Ok, that's strange, they said they would give beta keys to people who plays regularly, i've been playing this game almost every single day since like the end of january and i palyed a tone of it before, on and off though. Im platinum if it's relevant.
|
ForGG is playing mech in really fun way. :D
|
hahahah joke warhound op hahaha joke warhound op hahaha i switch to terran hahaha if they dont repair or remove this hahaha just ridiculous they kill everything on ground in no time with that cost + hp they dont even need battle helions. Watch Dragon stream he just roflstomp everyone[every race] with them + marines ......With warhounds siege tank is trash to all game times too so sad......
User was warned for this post
|
Mech looks uber strong at the moment. Especially with vikings.
|
What I don't understand is why Blizzard removed the HotS map in WoL on the EU server. I was interested in playing while waiting for a beta key.
|
|
|
|