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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 05 2012 14:57 GMT
#781
On September 05 2012 23:56 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 23:55 MCDayC wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:49 MCDayC wrote:
Goddamit I want to be able to watch streams, all I've seen is own3d zergs, T_T why no twitch now?!

torte, how are mines? I've barely seen them being used, they look powerful, do they have uses yet?


They're pretty powerful, but the Protoss army typically has an observer by the time they're really used. I haven't seen them used either yet, I think people are still trying to find ways to properly use them tbh. They do like... 150 damage on a tempest when I saw them. (I think they take upgrades, so this was at +2 upgrades)

So is my plan of switching to Terran and going mine tank raven every game a no right now?

Get Warhounds instead of Tanks and you're golden.

but fuck warhounds....
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 14:58:05
September 05 2012 14:57 GMT
#782
ooops, sorry
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
September 05 2012 14:58 GMT
#783
On September 05 2012 23:51 virpi wrote:
the warhound is a very boring unit. it's just walking around slowly and shooting at stuff. no fancy micro, no need for zoning...
terran needs less stuff with mechanical legs, it needs stuff with balls.


Roaches ringing any bells?
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
September 05 2012 14:58 GMT
#784
yeah man Warhounds rushs are so op lol
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 05 2012 14:59 GMT
#785
On September 05 2012 23:57 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 23:56 Shiori wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:55 MCDayC wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:49 MCDayC wrote:
Goddamit I want to be able to watch streams, all I've seen is own3d zergs, T_T why no twitch now?!

torte, how are mines? I've barely seen them being used, they look powerful, do they have uses yet?


They're pretty powerful, but the Protoss army typically has an observer by the time they're really used. I haven't seen them used either yet, I think people are still trying to find ways to properly use them tbh. They do like... 150 damage on a tempest when I saw them. (I think they take upgrades, so this was at +2 upgrades)

So is my plan of switching to Terran and going mine tank raven every game a no right now?

Get Warhounds instead of Tanks and you're golden.

but fuck warhounds....


Warhounds are so fucking good, blows my head right off.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 05 2012 14:59 GMT
#786
it also seems like warhounds are amazing vs zerg as well, the bonus isn't needed at all, with hellion support they kill everything on the ground anyway.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
September 05 2012 15:00 GMT
#787
What really bothers me is that at the berlin open hasuobs used carriers lategame zvp all day today and yesterday and it kinda worked ok. But now zerg gets more strong stuff for their lategame army and carriers will go.

I know its only beta day1 and I hope something happens but the problem is that protoss doesnt even have anything new that has the potential to make protoss stronger. None of the new units are actually fighting units so if it comes down to it well use our same old armies against zerg / terrans with new stuff Oracle is nice and I like it although Im not sure its effective, the motership core is fun and stuff but doesnt change anything to dramatically and the tempest, well... And we dont even get new upgrades for older units or something like that
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
September 05 2012 15:00 GMT
#788
On September 05 2012 23:57 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 23:56 Shiori wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:55 MCDayC wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:49 MCDayC wrote:
Goddamit I want to be able to watch streams, all I've seen is own3d zergs, T_T why no twitch now?!

torte, how are mines? I've barely seen them being used, they look powerful, do they have uses yet?


They're pretty powerful, but the Protoss army typically has an observer by the time they're really used. I haven't seen them used either yet, I think people are still trying to find ways to properly use them tbh. They do like... 150 damage on a tempest when I saw them. (I think they take upgrades, so this was at +2 upgrades)

So is my plan of switching to Terran and going mine tank raven every game a no right now?

Get Warhounds instead of Tanks and you're golden.

but fuck warhounds....


the warhound is just a unit that noone needs. There are no holes that a a move long range single target unit fixes for terran. It's either overpowered or irrelevant. The best thing to do for Blizzard here is to remove it and add another spellcaster. abilities like a more expensive lockdown or so would be thinkable...
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
September 05 2012 15:00 GMT
#789
Its funny how everyone thought warhounds were a-move units, but they are actually super microable due to their speed. They're like terran stalkers that require you to be focus firing mechanical units.

Still feel crazy OP in their current state though.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 15:00:58
September 05 2012 15:00 GMT
#790
On September 05 2012 23:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 23:57 MCDayC wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:56 Shiori wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:55 MCDayC wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:49 MCDayC wrote:
Goddamit I want to be able to watch streams, all I've seen is own3d zergs, T_T why no twitch now?!

torte, how are mines? I've barely seen them being used, they look powerful, do they have uses yet?


They're pretty powerful, but the Protoss army typically has an observer by the time they're really used. I haven't seen them used either yet, I think people are still trying to find ways to properly use them tbh. They do like... 150 damage on a tempest when I saw them. (I think they take upgrades, so this was at +2 upgrades)

So is my plan of switching to Terran and going mine tank raven every game a no right now?

Get Warhounds instead of Tanks and you're golden.

but fuck warhounds....


Warhounds are so fucking good, blows my head right off.

dude, my plan is to make ravens and tanks, do you think I care about what's good? Right now I resolutely refuse to make colossus when laddering, playing to win is a pipe dream for when I can actually macro. I just wanna make shit explode in increasingly badass ways, and thats about it.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
September 05 2012 15:01 GMT
#791
Hahaha the warhounds are so funny.

Just like walking boxes with water guns. Except that they murder absolutely everything.

+ Show Spoiler +
Fuck warhounds
Treehead
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
999 Posts
September 05 2012 15:01 GMT
#792
On September 05 2012 23:54 Noocta wrote:
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On September 05 2012 23:52 Kilby wrote:
I'm wondering how much supply is warhound exactly? In the morning before going to work I watched Thorzain's game where he was barely at 160 supply and had an enormous swarm of them as well as other mech and hellions and shit.



They are 2 or 3 supply afaik


It was 2 the last time someone published unit stats, and hasn't changed that I've seen. Someone in the beta could confirm it, but they are really really good for their supply.
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
September 05 2012 15:01 GMT
#793
On September 05 2012 23:56 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 23:55 Kilby wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:54 Noocta wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:52 Kilby wrote:
I'm wondering how much supply is warhound exactly? In the morning before going to work I watched Thorzain's game where he was barely at 160 supply and had an enormous swarm of them as well as other mech and hellions and shit.



They are 2 or 3 supply afaik


OK that kind of explains it. Lol.


They are a lot like beta roaches, way to efficient for supply even if it's the thematic of Mech.


Well, it might actually not be a bad idea if they had a physically large unit with low supply that did relatively low damage. It would not be OP (because of low damage) but it would give a good "mass mech" image quite easily even before max-supply unit numbers. Plus, it would simply feel better to control an army that would "feel" huge.
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
September 05 2012 15:02 GMT
#794
On September 05 2012 23:51 ZeromuS wrote:
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On September 05 2012 23:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:33 labbe wrote:
On September 05 2012 23:11 Shiori wrote:
So far I'm feeling very sad as a Toss player.

Yeah, Protoss in HoTS is really underwhelming. The worst designed race in WoL -> Still the worst designed race in HoTS it seems.

EDIT: And bring back the fucking Carrier Blizzard. Seriously.


I agree with the lack of depth that the new Protoss units are creating (in... the first day of beta, mind you). I've seen players use vipers, swarm hosts, and warhounds insanely effectively, but I've only seen tempests and oracles be annoying for about two seconds, get shot down almost immediately, and either not be rebuilt or end up implicitly aiding in the Protoss's loss because of how many resources have been wasted on them. I haven't seen them used that effectively in unit compositions either, whereas the new Terran and Zerg units clearly bulk up the armies and provide defense where there were clear weaknesses.

The mothership core is pretty interesting though... a lot of people are fiddling around with that in really interesting ways


Yeah this has been my impression as well.

The oracle is really underwhelming. In PvP its a gas sink that does nothing to defend one base play, in PvZ it has some use to slow down mining, in PvT when Terran gets vikings its completely ineffective.



I have felt since it was announced that it was going to either start out underpowered or start out overpowered and be nerfed into a meh unit. That said, it is still just a beta so who knows what might happen.
Nihn'kas Neehn
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
September 05 2012 15:02 GMT
#795
On September 05 2012 23:44 bsdaemon wrote:
@Torte de Lini: how do you think zergs should handle a warhound/battle hellion + later thors + tank combo?

edit: i know its still beta, i thought id ask anyway lol.

and also, it's fun watching root team steam last night


Omitting that "r" definitely gave the wrong image... I can imagine team ROOT wagging a finger at Destiny, shouting: "We shall not be outdone in our depravity!"

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
September 05 2012 15:05 GMT
#796
I hope I get in! :D
Hey man
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 05 2012 15:05 GMT
#797
I was spectating a few root players last night including minigun (HES ROOT DAMMIT), Kiwikaki, TT1, etc.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
September 05 2012 15:05 GMT
#798
Warhound = marauder, and it's now beta. OK, we are now back to the 2010 beta when all people claim about marauder op
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 15:06:26
September 05 2012 15:06 GMT
#799
On September 05 2012 23:59 MCDayC wrote:
it also seems like warhounds are amazing vs zerg as well, the bonus isn't needed at all, with hellion support they kill everything on the ground anyway.



What streams had you been watching ? They don't. Roaches just rape that unit composition while being very trade efficient...

Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 15:06:46
September 05 2012 15:06 GMT
#800
On September 06 2012 00:01 Talionis wrote:
Hahaha the warhounds are so funny.

Just like walking boxes with water guns. Except that they murder absolutely everything.

+ Show Spoiler +
Fuck warhounds


At least one thing about Warhound that I have a problem with, even before going into any detail about anything is the attack animation. Stalker attack animation is one of the most boring animations in the game and now they seem to be giving the same attack to the Warhound. Someone should check if the attack animation guy has even come to work for the last few months. We already had moving white lines in Space Invaders.
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