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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:43 GinDo wrote: Are there any new upgrades? I heard the Roach got a regen upgrade. Yes, but it's not in the game actually. I checked and checked. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IPzNF.png) Not found in any of the matches I played ): Also, hydra speed, Swarm host units get 10 seconds longer duration, etc. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
torte, how are mines? I've barely seen them being used, they look powerful, do they have uses yet? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46232 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:47 Wildmoon wrote: Can't see how warhound won't be nerfed. I think it'd be pretty amusing if Terran starts off in HotS as the strongest of the three races, and then gets nerfed and nerfed over and over again, which results in a more balanced game but a lot of whining- much like what happened in WoL. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:46 TheDougler wrote: I dunno if you play ZvZ or have watched any but how does that matchup look like in hots? It seems like swarm hosts would add a lot to that I would think, and hydra speed and ultra charge?! Seems like something in that matchup is gonna change bigtime, it might even slow down a bit depending on how big a deal swarmhosts are in it. I play ZvZ, but I'm terrible. I still go Roach, Infestor. But I was faced with someone who used Swarm hosts defensively then used them offensively. I think Swarm hosts are going to be the real game-changer or rather, help extend the ZvZ game into the later stages (where the viper might get into play with ultras and then hydras can have some fun too more now) | ||
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Treehead
999 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:39 ShoWTimE94 wrote: i feel like protoss really didnt change that much compared to the other 2 races. the new protoss units serve a certain purpose and overall they are fine but it's just not as game changing as the new units for zerg and terran. would have been cool to have at least one new ground unit but well, just my first impression of watching some streams. Yeah, this is what I said since before the beta madness (though I only finished it just before). http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=366124 | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13410 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I agree with the lack of depth that the new Protoss units are creating (in... the first day of beta, mind you). I've seen players use vipers, swarm hosts, and warhounds insanely effectively, but I've only seen tempests and oracles be annoying for about two seconds, get shot down almost immediately, and either not be rebuilt or end up implicitly aiding in the Protoss's loss because of how many resources have been wasted on them. I haven't seen them used that effectively in unit compositions either, whereas the new Terran and Zerg units clearly bulk up the armies and provide defense where there were clear weaknesses. The mothership core is pretty interesting though... a lot of people are fiddling around with that in really interesting ways  Yeah this has been my impression as well. The oracle is really underwhelming. In PvP its a gas sink that does nothing to defend one base play, in PvZ it has some use to slow down mining, in PvT when Terran gets vikings its completely ineffective. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
terran needs less stuff with mechanical legs, it needs stuff with balls. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:44 bsdaemon wrote: @Torte de Lini: how do you think zergs should handle a warhound/battle hellion + later thors + tank combo? edit: i know its still beta, i thought id ask anyway lol. and also, it's fun watching root team steam last night  No fucking clue. I want t osay swarm host, but fuck the warhound and battle hellion come fast. Would not be surprised if people went reapers to harass to force speedlings then battle hellions. Wrecks me everytime. | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:51 virpi wrote: the warhound is a very boring unit. it's just walking around slowly and BLOWING THE LIVING HELL OUT OF EVERYTHING at stuff. no fancy micro, no need for zoning... terran needs less stuff with mechanical legs, it needs stuff with balls. Fixed it for you, that is more like it lol. Goddamn do they do a lot of damage. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:49 MCDayC wrote: Goddamit I want to be able to watch streams, all I've seen is own3d zergs, T_T why no twitch now?! torte, how are mines? I've barely seen them being used, they look powerful, do they have uses yet? They're pretty powerful, but the Protoss army typically has an observer by the time they're really used. I haven't seen them used either yet, I think people are still trying to find ways to properly use them tbh. They do like... 150 damage on a tempest when I saw them. (I think they take upgrades, so this was at +2 upgrades) | ||
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Naske
Norway14 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:52 Kilby wrote: I'm wondering how much supply is warhound exactly? In the morning before going to work I watched Thorzain's game where he was barely at 160 supply and had an enormous swarm of them as well as other mech and hellions and shit. They are 2 or 3 supply afaik | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8313 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:51 Torte de Lini wrote: I play ZvZ, but I'm terrible. I still go Roach, Infestor. But I was faced with someone who used Swarm hosts defensively then used them offensively. I think Swarm hosts are going to be the real game-changer or rather, help extend the ZvZ game into the later stages (where the viper might get into play with ultras and then hydras can have some fun too more now) Glad to hear it, yeah I agree that something like that would make a lot of sense. Could see a bizarre, ling/muta vs swarmhost/queen sorta thing developing as well TBH. With swarm hosts it seems like creep spread might actually be helpful in a ZvZ considering you can sort of control your area with swarmhosts... That's just speculation though of course. | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
OK that kind of explains it. Lol. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:53 Torte de Lini wrote: They're pretty powerful, but the Protoss army typically has an observer by the time they're really used. I haven't seen them used either yet, I think people are still trying to find ways to properly use them tbh. They do like... 150 damage on a tempest when I saw them. (I think they take upgrades, so this was at +2 upgrades) So is my plan of switching to Terran and going mine tank raven every game a no right now? | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
They are a lot like beta roaches, way to efficient for supply even if it's the thematic of Mech. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:55 MCDayC wrote: So is my plan of switching to Terran and going mine tank raven every game a no right now? The game and beta just started, I'm fairly sure you can still play like a badass/TLO | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:55 MCDayC wrote: So is my plan of switching to Terran and going mine tank raven every game a no right now? Get Warhounds instead of Tanks and you're golden. | ||
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