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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
February 18 2012 11:19 GMT
#41
Brood War: "But mark my words, I'll be the one who kills you, Kerrigan" (or something like that)
SC2: "UGUU KERRIGAN IS MAI WAIFU DON'T SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT MAI WAIFU"

Fenix rolling in his grave.

Calling it ahead of time: Raynor DOES kill Kerrigan, but it's a lovey-dovey JIM YOU HAVE TO KILL ME BEFORE I BECOME A MONSTER AGAIN mercy-killing with lots of tears and Raynor bawwwing afterwards.
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HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
February 18 2012 11:21 GMT
#42
Well, SC2 is not over yet, and I bet Fenix will show up, if not in HotS, he will be in LotV.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
February 18 2012 11:39 GMT
#43
On February 18 2012 20:21 HornyHerring wrote:
Well, SC2 is not over yet, and I bet Fenix will show up, if not in HotS, he will be in LotV.


Please no.

WoL's storyline was cheesy and obvious enough, we don't need ANOTHER character cheating his death.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
February 18 2012 11:53 GMT
#44
On February 18 2012 02:04 ne4aJIb wrote:
It was so sad when I had to kill Fenix in order to win the mission. My queen flew over and turned Fenix into broodlings. T_T
Also I remember Raynor's words to Kerrigan, that he will revenge for killing Fenix. Apparently, as seen in WoL, he forgot about his vow...
Maybe he will reappear as an Immortal in the Legacy of the Void?


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Telenil
Profile Joined September 2010
France484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 12:34:00
February 18 2012 12:32 GMT
#45
On February 18 2012 18:58 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
question though, is artanis still alive and flying around in his super scout? he was the newest praetor after all...?
He got promoted, he flies in mothership now. All other protoss leaders are dead, except Zeratul who went into exile, so he is leading the protoss ruling council.
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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
February 18 2012 13:33 GMT
#46
On February 18 2012 21:32 Telenil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 18:58 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
question though, is artanis still alive and flying around in his super scout? he was the newest praetor after all...?
He got promoted, he flies in mothership now. All other protoss leaders are dead, except Zeratul who went into exile, so he is leading the protoss ruling council.


he appears in the final protoss mission in the sc2 in his badass mothership.
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ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
February 18 2012 13:59 GMT
#47
I always expected an "Infested Fenix" kinda character to show up at some point in SC2 back in the day.... You know, Kerrigan keeps around Fenix's body as a trophy of sorts and then Duran steals it away as a perfect specimen for Hybridization.

Oh well, I always thought it would be a powerful scene seeing Infested Fenix get sent to fight against Raynor.
A time to live.
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
February 18 2012 14:14 GMT
#48
I don't mean to de-rail this but was i the only one who didn't know a SINGLE protoss hero besides Artanis in the "void of darkness?" Misson? Like i was like WHO? are you people trying to help me when CLEARLY everybody here is fucked.
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B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 11:24:34
February 18 2012 14:16 GMT
#49
maybe fenix got infested and turned into the dark voice? :0
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
February 18 2012 14:26 GMT
#50
Maybe they'll mention him in Legacy of the Void. I think there's a high chance. Terran's don't have much to do with Fenix ;d
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Telenil
Profile Joined September 2010
France484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 14:32:35
February 18 2012 14:32 GMT
#51
On February 18 2012 23:14 DreamChaser wrote:
I don't mean to de-rail this but was i the only one who didn't know a SINGLE protoss hero besides Artanis in the "void of darkness?" Misson? Like i was like WHO? are you people trying to help me when CLEARLY everybody here is fucked.
Selendis was announced as a new protoss character before the release of WoL (and appears in the last Hanson level as well). Mohandar and Urun were only mentionned in one of the forgettable novels that were published before the release.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 18 2012 18:53 GMT
#52
On February 18 2012 07:03 Hulavuta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 06:12 aZealot wrote:
I have a question about this. I thought BW was retconned - does this mean that Fenix is still alive?

Or were only some elements of BW retconned, and Fenix still died?


the only thing that was retconned were that the Overmind is now a good guy and Kerrigan actually IS mad at Mengsk and doesn't like being infested.

Either way, it's not just Fenix. Nobody even says "En Taro Adun" anymore (except the Immortals).



i dont get how people dont understand the story, it makes perfect sense to me

The Overmind isnt a good guy, hes jsut trying to kill the guy whos trying to kill him and his Swarm, that doesnt make him good

Kerrigan was always angry at Mengsk for abandoning her, despite all the power she gained he still abandoned her and left her for dead, the price for trying to kill her is death

Fenix hasnt been forgotten, but there was noone in wings that cared about Fenix aside from Raynor and possibly Zeratul (hard to say how much of a bromance Zeratul had with Fenix since they knew each other for such a brief period) noone else on the Hyperion was going to be starting a conversation about Fenix so unless you wanted seom random cutscene thats nothing but mroe of Jim acting depressed he wasnt going to get any screentime this expansion

Raynor hasnt forgotten about Fenix, but at the same time its been years since Fenix died and its hard to remain angry for years on end, think about all the times in your life youve ever said "ill kill you" i doubt you followed through with any of them

also lets not forget that in order to essentially save his sanity Raynor seperated the Queen of Blades from Sarah Kerrigan, hes still hanging onto her original distress call and her show of mercy as proof that the original is still in there but shes being controlled by the Zerg genes in her
if Raynor will ever start thinking about Fenix it will be during HoTS when he sees Kerrigan for who she really is, but dont expect much anger, its gonna be like his thoughts against mengsk norage just cool determination and realization that she has to die and theres no saving her
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 18 2012 20:37 GMT
#53
On February 18 2012 07:48 Telenil wrote:
About Fenix: I certainly hope he will never return. Tassadar not being dead would be the worst retcon if not for the good Overmind, and Fenix's death was at least as touching as Tassadar's. Dead people should stay dead, World of Warcraft resurrected dozens of characters that had died (litterally, I was at 25 when I stopped counting). If characters can't be killed, what's the point? Why should I care about Zeratul if the story says "he's a cool guy, dying wouldn't kill him"?
That's partly what was so memorable in Fenix's death. If a beloved character can die, you suddenly care a lot more about the fate of the others.

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On February 18 2012 02:07 TheToast wrote:
frankly I think Chris Metzen is not a very good writer and has also gotten pretty lazy (like come on, the WC3 RoC plot was exactly the same as the SC1 plot).

I lost all faith in Blizzard to produce a good single player campaign long ago, TFT was just as bad/boring as SC2.

I totally disagree with that. There is no equivalent to the orcs or the blood elves in SC1, the terran worlds weren't crushed the way Lordaeron was, there was no "brave idealist that turns out to be a power-hungry jerk" in Warcraft 3. Even the alliance between Raynor's Raiders and the Protoss was secondary to the plot, whereas it was the culmination of Reign of Chaos.
You didn't have silly plot holes like "Tychus worked for Mengsk but was the one who piloted the superweapon in Media Blitz". And it didn't end with the hero carrying his naked girlfriend towards the sunset.
I could go on for a while.

You do have a good character that turns evil, a civil war between a former human/elf and bad guys to control the brainless race, with the former human eventually betraying her allies. But that doesn't make the plot "exactly the same".


Fenix being referenced wouldn't be bad, but I agree that Fenix shouldn't come back from the dead and nor should any character. Sometimes it makes sense, but characters do need to die, otherwise everything that they lived for the first time loses lots of weight.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 18 2012 20:38 GMT
#54
On February 18 2012 23:14 DreamChaser wrote:
I don't mean to de-rail this but was i the only one who didn't know a SINGLE protoss hero besides Artanis in the "void of darkness?" Misson? Like i was like WHO? are you people trying to help me when CLEARLY everybody here is fucked.



Same here but I thought that they shouldn't waste time fleshing these characters out in WoL when there's a perfectly good expansion pack coming out which will take take of it (hopefully).
kiss kiss fall in love
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 18 2012 20:41 GMT
#55
On February 18 2012 22:33 zeehar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 21:32 Telenil wrote:
On February 18 2012 18:58 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
question though, is artanis still alive and flying around in his super scout? he was the newest praetor after all...?
He got promoted, he flies in mothership now. All other protoss leaders are dead, except Zeratul who went into exile, so he is leading the protoss ruling council.


he appears in the final protoss mission in the sc2 in his badass mothership.


Well he's doing that for now. I mean aren't they scrapping the Mothership in the next expansion?
kiss kiss fall in love
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 18 2012 21:02 GMT
#56
On February 19 2012 05:41 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 22:33 zeehar wrote:
On February 18 2012 21:32 Telenil wrote:
On February 18 2012 18:58 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
question though, is artanis still alive and flying around in his super scout? he was the newest praetor after all...?
He got promoted, he flies in mothership now. All other protoss leaders are dead, except Zeratul who went into exile, so he is leading the protoss ruling council.


he appears in the final protoss mission in the sc2 in his badass mothership.


Well he's doing that for now. I mean aren't they scrapping the Mothership in the next expansion?

what does MP have to dow tih SP?

mothership will still apear in SP probably with all the amazing abilities that made it OP like planetcracker
AugustDreams
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia127 Posts
February 19 2012 01:01 GMT
#57
On February 18 2012 22:59 ShatterZer0 wrote:
I always expected an "Infested Fenix" kinda character to show up at some point in SC2 back in the day.... You know, Kerrigan keeps around Fenix's body as a trophy of sorts and then Duran steals it away as a perfect specimen for Hybridization.

Oh well, I always thought it would be a powerful scene seeing Infested Fenix get sent to fight against Raynor.


That is such an awesome idea xD.
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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
February 19 2012 05:15 GMT
#58
Yeah, if Fenix is dead, then he should stay dead. I'd hate if he 'returned' like Tassadar.

Fenix was a bad-ass though. Such a warrior.
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rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
February 19 2012 06:21 GMT
#59
They have such flexibility in the campaign I'm surprised they don't just go balls out and include everything they can think of!
FADC
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
February 19 2012 09:40 GMT
#60
The writer for the single player campaign obviously did not play bw. At the end of Broodwar, Raynor said the next time he sees kerrigan he will kill her, now 10 years later (is that time right? not sure), all he can think about is boning her,
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