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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
July 21 2012 22:48 GMT
#221
On July 22 2012 05:55 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
1. Whaaaat?! But... that prophecy mission, where you go to Aiur and the Overmind and everything.... He's not an Archon there?!


no thats not an archon


Well huh. Sure looks like an Archon. Both there and as the Battle.net icon. StarCraft wiki says he's in an "ethereal" form.... Eh, whatevs.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 22 2012 00:16 GMT
#222
On July 22 2012 07:48 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 05:55 Forikorder wrote:
1. Whaaaat?! But... that prophecy mission, where you go to Aiur and the Overmind and everything.... He's not an Archon there?!


no thats not an archon


Well huh. Sure looks like an Archon. Both there and as the Battle.net icon. StarCraft wiki says he's in an "ethereal" form.... Eh, whatevs.

he doesnt look like an archon... hes got no junk in his trunk he looks jsut like a protoss thats a bit see through
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
July 22 2012 00:36 GMT
#223
On July 22 2012 09:16 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 07:48 cLAN.Anax wrote:
On July 22 2012 05:55 Forikorder wrote:
1. Whaaaat?! But... that prophecy mission, where you go to Aiur and the Overmind and everything.... He's not an Archon there?!


no thats not an archon


Well huh. Sure looks like an Archon. Both there and as the Battle.net icon. StarCraft wiki says he's in an "ethereal" form.... Eh, whatevs.

he doesnt look like an archon... hes got no junk in his trunk he looks jsut like a protoss thats a bit see through


Really? O_o Tassadar: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Archon: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 00:41:26
July 22 2012 00:40 GMT
#224
On July 22 2012 09:36 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 09:16 Forikorder wrote:
On July 22 2012 07:48 cLAN.Anax wrote:
On July 22 2012 05:55 Forikorder wrote:
1. Whaaaat?! But... that prophecy mission, where you go to Aiur and the Overmind and everything.... He's not an Archon there?!


no thats not an archon


Well huh. Sure looks like an Archon. Both there and as the Battle.net icon. StarCraft wiki says he's in an "ethereal" form.... Eh, whatevs.

he doesnt look like an archon... hes got no junk in his trunk he looks jsut like a protoss thats a bit see through


Really? O_o Tassadar: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Archon: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

your missing like 90% of the archon in that picture there...

also they only look alike because there both still PROTOSS who all look alike, but Tassadar looks all ghost like and looks like hes just a projection while the archon looks like hes still made of flesh of blood
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
July 22 2012 00:59 GMT
#225
True, true.... But what if it's a projection of an Archon? :-o

Okay, I'm getting needlessly conspiratorial now. X-D Guess we'll just have to wait for Blizzard to tell us. Given its penchant for adding betrayals and double agents and such, wouldn't surprise me to learn that it's not Tassadar at all, lol.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
July 23 2012 22:38 GMT
#226
On June 25 2012 09:12 Forikorder wrote:
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On June 25 2012 08:38 askTeivospy wrote:
On June 15 2012 14:25 Darknat wrote:
Fenix was a minor character.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also when Raynor made that "vow to kill Kerrigan" he was talking to the Queen of Blades, not Kerrigan, so Raynor fulfilled his vow.


blizz just ruined the story by making sc2 raynor-kerrigan chapter an insecure love story instead of a retribution story that was set up in BW. You're just looking for loopholes imo


i dont really see how it was set up

if someone died every time someone said "ill kill you" humanity would be extinct "ill kill you" jsut means "woa i am extremely angry at what you did and would like to express my distaste of your actions with some strong language"

What...

If you stole my lunch money and I say "I'll kill you", then yes, I'll get over it.

If I put my trust in you and you betray me and slaughter my friends in front of me and I say "I'll kill you", it means I'm going to tattoo your damn name and what you did to me on my arm and recite it every night before I go to bed and from that moment onward spend every waking moment of my life making sure yours is as short and painful as possible. Even if we used to date.

How do you manage to lump those together into the same category?
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 24 2012 00:29 GMT
#227
On July 24 2012 07:38 starfries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 09:12 Forikorder wrote:
On June 25 2012 08:38 askTeivospy wrote:
On June 15 2012 14:25 Darknat wrote:
Fenix was a minor character.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also when Raynor made that "vow to kill Kerrigan" he was talking to the Queen of Blades, not Kerrigan, so Raynor fulfilled his vow.


blizz just ruined the story by making sc2 raynor-kerrigan chapter an insecure love story instead of a retribution story that was set up in BW. You're just looking for loopholes imo


i dont really see how it was set up

if someone died every time someone said "ill kill you" humanity would be extinct "ill kill you" jsut means "woa i am extremely angry at what you did and would like to express my distaste of your actions with some strong language"

What...

If you stole my lunch money and I say "I'll kill you", then yes, I'll get over it.

If I put my trust in you and you betray me and slaughter my friends in front of me and I say "I'll kill you", it means I'm going to tattoo your damn name and what you did to me on my arm and recite it every night before I go to bed and from that moment onward spend every waking moment of my life making sure yours is as short and painful as possible. Even if we used to date.

How do you manage to lump those together into the same category?

i didnt, you did, you also proved my point

jsut Raynor saying "ill kill you" doesnt mean he made an oath to himself that he tatood into his arm

Raynors been in wars for YEARS hes used to death by now and used to seeing friends died, as you yourself stated saying "ill kill you" doesnt always mean "im going to kill you" in this case it means "i hate waht youve become and because i cant revert it ill kill you"
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
July 24 2012 01:45 GMT
#228
On July 24 2012 09:29 Forikorder wrote:
i didnt, you did, you also proved my point

jsut Raynor saying "ill kill you" doesnt mean he made an oath to himself that he tatood into his arm

What was your point, that I proved it? Are you arguing that Kerrigan's betrayal had about as much effect on him as you stealing my lunch money?


Raynors been in wars for YEARS hes used to death by now and used to seeing friends died, as you yourself stated saying "ill kill you" doesnt always mean "im going to kill you" in this case it means "i hate waht youve become and because i cant revert it ill kill you"

No, it doesn't. It means "I'm going to kill you". See, I can make assertions too.
Being in war for years doesn't make you ok with betrayal.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 24 2012 02:21 GMT
#229
What was your point, that I proved it? Are you arguing that Kerrigan's betrayal had about as much effect on him as you stealing my lunch money?


no you proved saying "ill kill you" has varying degrees of commitment to it based on the individual

Being in war for years doesn't make you ok with betrayal.


can make you numb to death (of others obviously)
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
July 24 2012 20:33 GMT
#230
On July 24 2012 11:21 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
What was your point, that I proved it? Are you arguing that Kerrigan's betrayal had about as much effect on him as you stealing my lunch money?


no you proved saying "ill kill you" has varying degrees of commitment to it based on the individual

Show nested quote +
Being in war for years doesn't make you ok with betrayal.


can make you numb to death (of others obviously)


Man, did you even play the BW campaign? Even *I* felt betrayed! And I was totally stomping on everybody in the zerg campaign. At the end of BW... it was 100% clear to me that Raynor was gonna kill the hell out of Kerrigan-- from the context, from his point of voice... from everything.

The Sc2 storyline is NOT canon. That's my explanation. It's an alternative universe, what happened in BW is something else.
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
July 25 2012 00:58 GMT
#231
On July 25 2012 05:33 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 11:21 Forikorder wrote:
What was your point, that I proved it? Are you arguing that Kerrigan's betrayal had about as much effect on him as you stealing my lunch money?


no you proved saying "ill kill you" has varying degrees of commitment to it based on the individual

Being in war for years doesn't make you ok with betrayal.


can make you numb to death (of others obviously)


Man, did you even play the BW campaign? Even *I* felt betrayed! And I was totally stomping on everybody in the zerg campaign. At the end of BW... it was 100% clear to me that Raynor was gonna kill the hell out of Kerrigan-- from the context, from his point of voice... from everything.

The Sc2 storyline is NOT canon. That's my explanation. It's an alternative universe, what happened in BW is something else.


Well, it's been four years between BW and SC2, right? Jim's had some time to simmer down since then. Then again, he had to convince everyone that he was still sane enough to go to Char in WoL, so his feelings were still riled up. Hmmm.... Perhaps since he actually had the chance to take Kerrigan down, he rethought his options, and saving her (encouraged by his past feelings for her) sounded more and more like a possibility, even a necessary eventuality. I think Raynor (righteously) overreacted with hatred towards Kerrigan after the betrayal, but once he cooled off, he changed his mind and deluded himself into thinking she could be saved from the Zerg.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
Eviscerador
Profile Joined October 2011
Spain286 Posts
July 25 2012 10:43 GMT
#232
I think most of you missed the point. Raynor vowed to kill the Queen of Blades, but not Sarah.

Now that he saw he could save Sarah from the Queen of Blades, he did. (and most likely he thinks he has killed the QoB on the process)

I don't see the problem here.
A victorious warrior wins first, then goes to war. A defeated warrior goes to war and then seeks to win.
BoReDWiTHLiFe
Profile Joined June 2011
85 Posts
July 26 2012 04:42 GMT
#233
Raynor's thought process:

Swears vengeance against ex-lover/friend for becoming evil/murdering people you care about -> save person from themselves
Finds a theoretical way to "save" the person from themselves (the artifact) thereby returning them to normal
Is further persuaded by an old friend (Zeratul) that killing said person will doom the galaxy to eternal darkness

Proceeds therefore to not kill Kerrigan.

That said, I still think the SC2 storyline should've been different.
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
July 26 2012 04:52 GMT
#234
On July 26 2012 13:42 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote:
Raynor's thought process:

Swears vengeance against ex-lover/friend for becoming evil/murdering people you care about -> save person from themselves
Finds a theoretical way to "save" the person from themselves (the artifact) thereby returning them to normal
Is further persuaded by an old friend (Zeratul) that killing said person will doom the galaxy to eternal darkness

Proceeds therefore to not kill Kerrigan.

That said, I still think the SC2 storyline should've been different.


Oh, derp. I forgot about the whole Zertaul coming in and saying, "SHE MUSTN'T DIE IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THE UNIVERSE," thing, haha. X-D
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
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