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Flood1993
Spain61 Posts
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ghostunit
61 Posts
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AugustDreams
Australia127 Posts
On October 09 2011 08:17 Flood1993 wrote: Hi, do someone know if the achievements will move form WoL to HotS? No idea, but I think it's safe to assume they would. | ||
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
On October 09 2011 15:51 ghostunit wrote: I just can't stomach how the Zerg are being changed from "these creatures have no regard for the sanctity of life" to "they just want their right to exiiiiiist maaaaan!" The creatures that had no regard for the sanctity of life were Zerg under the control of the Xel'Naga-programmed Overmind to consume all life into a new hybrid superspecies to serve as the new Xel'Naga hosts. In Starcraft 2 however, the Zerg Overmind is gone, and his attempt to break free of his bonds was succesful. Under any other leader, the Zerg have the right to live, since they no longer seek to consume all life (they do consume a lot of it though, I hope the Zerg are not all defeated in the end, that would be boring). | ||
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NeoCyberD
Switzerland65 Posts
She is the incarnation of the new overmind. Not being controlled and leading the zerg into a new future... It's a responsibility she had to take... Maybe it wasn't her free will... But she wasn't surpressed at all as the overmind said... That's why she was able to get over him. She's kinda a messiah for the zerg. And Raynor is her holy knight or something similar... I wonder what the paths will be in Hots... | ||
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Splynn
United States225 Posts
In WoL, the only thing that I pulled out of the Tassadar sequence was that the Overmind was creating a loophole in order to overcome the restraints of the Xel'naga. And sure, that leads to defending against the Xel'naga... but he did it by being bloodthirsty and violent, and nowhere does it say that he didn't want to be bloodthirsty and violent. Maybe Kerrigan no longer has this overriding urge to add the Protoss to the brood, but how does that mean the Zerg are after peaceful coexistance? There are alternatives... I might be wrong here, though. I was mostly just going "Tassadar is like a Jedi?". So the Overmind had an ulterior motive. He wasn't attacking the Protoss for the sole purpose of consuming them. But that doesn't mean at all that the Zerg didn't enjoy it. They're still mindless killing machines. The only difference is that their leaders are pretty smart. How is this a problem? I'm not arguing, I just feel like I'm missing some part of the puzzle, and I'd like to know what it is  . | ||
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Oliwoli
United Kingdom69 Posts
My take on the situation is that they normally would have been generally hopping round the galaxy consuming other species, until the dark voice came along and said "hey, you should go kill the protoss" or whatever. Now thats gone, the Zerg arn't nice - they are just less singleminded. | ||
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ghostunit
61 Posts
On October 09 2011 17:44 Callynn wrote: The creatures that had no regard for the sanctity of life were Zerg under the control of the Xel'Naga-programmed Overmind to consume all life into a new hybrid superspecies to serve as the new Xel'Naga hosts. In Starcraft 2 however, the Zerg Overmind is gone, and his attempt to break free of his bonds was succesful. Under any other leader, the Zerg have the right to live, since they no longer seek to consume all life (they do consume a lot of it though, I hope the Zerg are not all defeated in the end, that would be boring). LAAAAAAAAMMMMMEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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ZeroTheHero1
United States9 Posts
Could that be Arc. Mengsk? I'm not so sure that it could be Duran because I didn't find any proof that he was somehow involved. Because I remember the "Dark Voice" saying "Behold, my greatest creation". Right after that, the hybrids come out and attack you. Along with that, Mengsk learned how to create those hybrids genes in a blink of an eye in "Piercing the Shroud". Since he could do that, why not infuse those genes and become something corrupted? Another thing that I'm curious of is that when Zerutal learned the future from those Immortal Guardians, it stated that (I don't remember the very same words but its almost the same) "It will begin with a great hunger, and end in total darkness" (obliviously 'in total darkness' is when they die on "In Utter Darkness"'). Mengsk has a great hunger for power because remember the recording that Raynor broadcast? It said "I will rule this sector or see it burn before me". Which I think he would do anything to rule the dominion and what not. Lastly, remember when Mengsk told Tychus to kill Kerrigan? Would that have been how the prophecy started? Kerrigan is dead, which means everyone will die in the future, Tychus is obviously going to die, and Mengsk is still alive. So, what I'm saying is that the Dark Voice could be Mengsk but I'm not 100% (maybe 65%) sure because there could be a lot of twists and turns in the next chapter or chapter(s) (Including the Protoss expansion if there will be, PLEASE? =D ) P.S. if someone posted something like this in these pages, i'm sorry. I might have skips some of the posts =( | ||
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Alric
Australia517 Posts
On October 09 2011 15:51 ghostunit wrote: I just can't stomach how the Zerg are being changed from "these creatures have no regard for the sanctity of life" to "they just want their right to exiiiiiist maaaaan!" Blizzard always does this. The orcs used to be all cool and evil, but then it just turns out they were under some spell and just want to hug trees and live in harmony with all life or whatever. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
If I had command of zerg, I'd find the nearest human outpost with a ghost academy, infest their barracks, make a tech lab, ..., profit!. | ||
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
On October 10 2011 16:13 Splynn wrote: Something that I've never really understood about the issue with the "new" zerg. How, exactly, does them "just wanting the right to exist" conflict with not having regard for the sanctity of life? And where does this idea stem from? In WoL, the only thing that I pulled out of the Tassadar sequence was that the Overmind was creating a loophole in order to overcome the restraints of the Xel'naga. And sure, that leads to defending against the Xel'naga... but he did it by being bloodthirsty and violent, and nowhere does it say that he didn't want to be bloodthirsty and violent. Maybe Kerrigan no longer has this overriding urge to add the Protoss to the brood, but how does that mean the Zerg are after peaceful coexistance? There are alternatives... I might be wrong here, though. I was mostly just going "Tassadar is like a Jedi?". So the Overmind had an ulterior motive. He wasn't attacking the Protoss for the sole purpose of consuming them. But that doesn't mean at all that the Zerg didn't enjoy it. They're still mindless killing machines. The only difference is that their leaders are pretty smart. How is this a problem? I'm not arguing, I just feel like I'm missing some part of the puzzle, and I'd like to know what it is .You hit the snare, I think you are absolutel right. The Zerg Overmind merely gave a steering to the already agressive-natured Zerg. It was a handy tool for the Xel'Naga to control the infinitely growing swarm. Now, in the next stage of Zerg evolution, with the Overmind dead: The true nature of the Zerg can roam free. Although they no longer would seek to consume the Protoss to become part of the new Xel'Naga hosts, they do still want to rule the universe - just like humans want to. The question is - does that make them more evil than us? I think this is just a plain example of the survival of the fittest. Arcturus Mengsk is just as big an asshole as Kerrigan was during her 4 year rule of the Swarm. | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
nowhere does it say that he didn't want to be bloodthirsty and violent I quote the dialog between Tassadar and Zeratul: "I have come to tell you about that creature's... courage.(...) So the Overmind had an ulterior motive. He wasn't attacking the Protoss for the sole purpose of consuming them. But that doesn't mean at all that the Zerg didn't enjoy it. - Courage? It was an abomination! - Not always. The zerg were... altered. (...) The Overmind was formed with thought and reason... but not free will. It screamed and raged within the prison of its own mind. (...) But the Overmind found a way to resist its all-consuming directive." (god, my teeth cringe even to read that) When Zeratul tells him the Overmind was an abomination, Tassadar doesn't answer "Yes but", he essentially says "only after he was altered". He talks about the Overmind in positive terms, praising its "courage". You wouldn't describe an eldritch abomination like that, even if you have a common enemy. Then, we are specifically told that the Overmind resisted the "all-consuming directive". If he was willing to evolve the Swarm by absorbing the DNA of strong spieces (as show in Starcraft and its manual), he wouldn't fight that particular order. He would comply for the time being while trying to find a way to break the control. "Screamed and raged within the prison of his own mind" certainly doesn't imply he had a good time. If he was only upset about the control and not the orders, it would be a very convoluted way to phrase it. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44158 Posts
On August 17 2011 07:34 Lunchador wrote: Conspiracy theory! Adun is really Duran/Narud with the 'R'! Heh heh heh... Even moreso... "Adun Toridas!" Rearrange the letters and you get "_ _ _ _ is Duran"  Those four missing letters are d,a,t,o. So if there's another character named Dato or Toda or... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OXYqn.jpg) ...then we're on to something else! | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 10 2011 16:13 Splynn wrote: Something that I've never really understood about the issue with the "new" zerg. How, exactly, does them "just wanting the right to exist" conflict with not having regard for the sanctity of life? And where does this idea stem from? In WoL, the only thing that I pulled out of the Tassadar sequence was that the Overmind was creating a loophole in order to overcome the restraints of the Xel'naga. And sure, that leads to defending against the Xel'naga... but he did it by being bloodthirsty and violent, and nowhere does it say that he didn't want to be bloodthirsty and violent. Maybe Kerrigan no longer has this overriding urge to add the Protoss to the brood, but how does that mean the Zerg are after peaceful coexistance? There are alternatives... I might be wrong here, though. I was mostly just going "Tassadar is like a Jedi?". So the Overmind had an ulterior motive. He wasn't attacking the Protoss for the sole purpose of consuming them. But that doesn't mean at all that the Zerg didn't enjoy it. They're still mindless killing machines. The only difference is that their leaders are pretty smart. How is this a problem? I'm not arguing, I just feel like I'm missing some part of the puzzle, and I'd like to know what it is .The only way the Overmind/Tassadar plot line can be redeemed in my eyes is if it's actually the Dark Voice and by freeing Kerrigan they basically fucked everyone since now the Zerg are free to be controlled by the Dark Voice or his current inhabitant. | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
On October 14 2011 01:46 Plexa wrote: Agreed. That's something I would really like to see, and not just because it un-retcons the original game. In WoL, everyone believes in visions of the future and magical artefacts without a shade of critical thinking. If a fake Tassadar laughed at Zeratul for believing a few rocks and a dead friend could tell the future, that would feel soooo deserved.The only way the Overmind/Tassadar plot line can be redeemed in my eyes is if it's actually the Dark Voice and by freeing Kerrigan they basically fucked everyone since now the Zerg are free to be controlled by the Dark Voice or his current inhabitant. | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
On October 13 2011 11:58 Alric wrote: Blizzard always does this. The orcs used to be all cool and evil, but then it just turns out they were under some spell and just want to hug trees and live in harmony with all life or whatever. Yea, I really hope they don't carebear the zerg up like they did with the orcs. I want all-consuming killing machines that take over entire planets, killing what they don't need and taking what they do. More akin to the tyranids or geiger's aliens that they entirely spawned from. Along this line I hope kerrigan doesn't get all goody goody on us either, she's the god damned "queen bitch of the universe"(her own words) not some prom queen red cross worker out to make the universe a better place. | ||
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
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dtvu
Australia687 Posts
On October 13 2011 21:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Even moreso... "Adun Toridas!" Rearrange the letters and you get "_ _ _ _ is Duran" Those four missing letters are d,a,t,o. So if there's another character named Dato or Toda or... + Show Spoiler + ...then we're on to something else! Clap Clap Clap, well spotted - Blizzard has been trolling us this whole time. Adun will come back, revealing he's actually Toad and tells Jim Raynor or JYN Mario (Just Your Normal Mario) that it's all an evil dream that Bowser Jr (Justin Bowder) has inflicted on all of them. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 14 2011 05:41 Telenil wrote: Agreed. That's something I would really like to see, and not just because it un-retcons the original game. In WoL, everyone believes in visions of the future and magical artefacts without a shade of critical thinking. If a fake Tassadar laughed at Zeratul for believing a few rocks and a dead friend could tell the future, that would feel soooo deserved. I mean, when was the last time we had a truly evil villain who manipulated everyone and ended up fucking everyone over. Oh wait that was Kerrigan lol. On October 14 2011 08:04 Shiladie wrote: Again, I don't mind if Kerrigan becomes 'good' so long as we have plenty of hard core villains who aren't killed by the forces uniting. Theres nothing stopping the Dark Voice from controlling the Zerg and being just as sadistic as Kerrigan. Yea, I really hope they don't carebear the zerg up like they did with the orcs. I want all-consuming killing machines that take over entire planets, killing what they don't need and taking what they do. More akin to the tyranids or geiger's aliens that they entirely spawned from. Along this line I hope kerrigan doesn't get all goody goody on us either, she's the god damned "queen bitch of the universe"(her own words) not some prom queen red cross worker out to make the universe a better place. btw does anyone remember how melancholy they felt after the Protoss campaign in SC1? How the Protoss had fought so hard and but had lost everything in the process? And then in BW when Kerrigan basically backstabs and kills everyone of any importance? Oh how I crave some plotlines which cause pain and suffering to the characters. | ||
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