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Telenil
Profile Joined September 2010
France484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 09:27:00
August 30 2011 09:25 GMT
#61
Personally i think the artifact's a true deus ex machina, a result of the writers being lazy. At least in Brood War there was a way to mind control the zerg using psionic wave emitters, which was cool because it wasn't all powerful.
Agreed. We don't even know why the artefact was in so many pieces, except "we needed to make X TvP levels".

What I really disliked in the HotS level, from a story point of view, is protoss needing X minutes to grab their radio and shout "ZERG§§§". I could understand that, say, a purifier may require a long time to get to the planet, but just giving a call to their generals? Even if the weather somehow freezes everything, just send a ship in orbit and broadcast from there, or warp a zealot back to whatever protoss outpost it came from.
This makes about as much sense as the surprise attack in Media Blitz where none of the Dominion troops attack the Odin, even though the first marine you shoot (and Warfield himself) warns everyone that it had gone rogue.
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chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
August 30 2011 09:47 GMT
#62
Protoss communicate via the Khala, the psi-link-thingy between every Protoss. Kaldir is apparently too far off to use this kind of communication, so they have to concentrate their psi-powers to send the call. In the mission you can see some templars standing around those psi relais, channeling their powers.
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esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 10:38:15
August 30 2011 10:35 GMT
#63
delete plz.
Skill is relative.
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
August 30 2011 11:20 GMT
#64
Has there been anything released about multiplayer yet?
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NeoCyberD
Profile Joined September 2010
Switzerland65 Posts
August 30 2011 13:26 GMT
#65
Doesnt seem so...
Blizzard spills some information on the Blizzcon...
Rarely on other "platforms" ;D
There is no such thing as coincidence...
RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
August 30 2011 23:36 GMT
#66
I miss the original zerg campaign the overmind and the cerebrates were so badass and powerful (Awaken my child, and embrace the glory that is your birthright. Know that I am the Overmind; the eternal will of the Swarm, and that you have been created to serve me.) I'm not sure if I'm going to like this moral dilemma'd amnesia ridden soul searching Kerrigan campaign.

IMO leave the angsty dilemmas to the terran, the indomitable and single minded power to the zerg, and the knowledge honour and zealousness to the protoss.
ghostunit
Profile Joined August 2010
61 Posts
August 31 2011 00:48 GMT
#67
guys, just accept that you're gonna be served a "Transformers" yet again with HotS.
WhiteReaper
Profile Joined December 2010
United States27 Posts
August 31 2011 00:51 GMT
#68
My thoughts THE ARTIFACT. As we all know but completing the missions. That protoss Gave there lives to the end! Now it had me thinking out side the game how is there gonna be a protoss expasion or whatever you may call it. Now from we know that all protoss showed up for the final battle and died willing. The artifact is defently something more then what we know. And it was interesting to me that they introduced Hybrids. ANd this is why. Each Hybrids has some protoss in them! I don't think we can battle that fact. ANd with kerrigin and whatever may be going on. The voices could be protoss giving comands to kerrigan or giving her a list of things to do.... And how far is she gonna take it also with her supposely wanting zerg control? But why would terran get her back if they were just gonna lose her? The story line Is great i love it. Its one of the things that brought me to this game when i was 10... With the MENGSK & MENGSK two things come to my head. Either there working together and valerian is setting up raynor... And had to do ALOT to get in. But defently is worth it! OR valerian doesn't like his dad is gonna start a up rising Without raynors knowledge. so a new threat May appear.... But then would valerian give up all his power and reasources to really help and believe in raynors cause....
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Telenil
Profile Joined September 2010
France484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 08:43:25
August 31 2011 08:25 GMT
#69
Protoss communicate via the Khala, the psi-link-thingy between every Protoss. Kaldir is apparently too far off to use this kind of communication, so they have to concentrate their psi-powers to send the call. In the mission you can see some templars standing around those psi relais, channeling their powers.
My point still stands. The protoss are known to warp massive spaceships across the entire sectors, which is probably how they got to Kaldir in the first place. Can't they just warp someone back? Or have a communication that is about as effective as the terran? And as far as I remember, they also faced the renegade Brood Mother long before Kerrigan shows up.

If you want a ZvP level with a countdown happening on a distant planet, which is fine with me, there are far more convincing explanations than "our base needs 30 minutes to open a channel because we didn't think it could help to have a direct link with anyone else/something ready to be sent through the warp space."
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Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1613 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 10:23:15
August 31 2011 10:21 GMT
#70
One thing that i have in mind. What is with WOL artefact? Is it active or was destroyed? If it's destroyed then it's just simple. If not, Terran can purify whole Char with it. So how will Kerrigan take Char back to her while this artefact still is in there?
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chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
September 02 2011 11:59 GMT
#71
On August 31 2011 17:25 Telenil wrote:
Show nested quote +
Protoss communicate via the Khala, the psi-link-thingy between every Protoss. Kaldir is apparently too far off to use this kind of communication, so they have to concentrate their psi-powers to send the call. In the mission you can see some templars standing around those psi relais, channeling their powers.
My point still stands. The protoss are known to warp massive spaceships across the entire sectors, which is probably how they got to Kaldir in the first place. Can't they just warp someone back? Or have a communication that is about as effective as the terran? And as far as I remember, they also faced the renegade Brood Mother long before Kerrigan shows up.

If you want a ZvP level with a countdown happening on a distant planet, which is fine with me, there are far more convincing explanations than "our base needs 30 minutes to open a channel because we didn't think it could help to have a direct link with anyone else/something ready to be sent through the warp space."


No it does not. Where did you get the idea from that they warp INSTANTLY to different star systems? Of course there will be limitations. And what makes you think their communication is inferior to terran technology? The UED forces had no contact to earth as well.
Also, why would they call shakuras because they found a random brood mother? That's probably what they're there for in the first place, hunting down remnants of the shattered swarm, believing Kerrigan is dead.
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imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
September 02 2011 18:17 GMT
#72
On August 15 2011 01:20 Dante.StarCraft wrote:

First of all, Kerrigan is now wearing a ghost suit. Where did she get this? It is doubtful she was carrying it around before becoming human again. Did she find it? Steal it? Did someone give it to her? Hard to say


I'm pretty sure that was Nova's ghost suit.

The cinematic teaser shows Nova (wearing a white and blue ghost suit) storming Raynor's ship to assassinate Kerrigan. She and a squad of marines and ghosts lock themselves in a room with Kerrigan while Raynor is beating on the door trying to get in. There's a bunch of lightning, shit starts floating off the ground, then there's a massive pulse and the door collapses. When Raynor clears the ruble its just Kerrigan left standing and she's wearing the suit, with no trace of Nova or her squad of commandos.
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 20:32:42
September 02 2011 20:30 GMT
#73
IMO, duran is xel'naga - from that last quote you posted, thats extremely strong evidence pointing towards it. thats always been my belief since Dark Origin.
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voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
September 02 2011 21:40 GMT
#74
Ya know, i think that kerrigan got captured and (as you see on many artworks)
she is in a lab with medical stuff and shit, so i think she got it from dominion (it was given to her, her hair was changed a bit etc.)
daedelus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States13 Posts
September 03 2011 18:54 GMT
#75
On August 15 2011 01:49 carloselcoco wrote:
If you see the written part of this One: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/media/artwork/?view#/swarm-artwork04
It suggests it might be a new zerg unit for HotS.


I think the text on the artwork is describing different drafts of the critter, how it looks, not that it is literally a zerg unit. That early drafts looked too "zerg" and should really look more beast-like is how I would interpret it.
Suvorov
Profile Joined December 2010
294 Posts
September 03 2011 20:57 GMT
#76
On September 03 2011 03:17 imJealous wrote:
I'm pretty sure that was Nova's ghost suit.

The cinematic teaser shows Nova (wearing a white and blue ghost suit) storming Raynor's ship to assassinate Kerrigan. She and a squad of marines and ghosts lock themselves in a room with Kerrigan while Raynor is beating on the door trying to get in. There's a bunch of lightning, shit starts floating off the ground, then there's a massive pulse and the door collapses. When Raynor clears the ruble its just Kerrigan left standing and she's wearing the suit, with no trace of Nova or her squad of commandos.


Are you absolutely sure the small bits and pieces of the trailer mean what you say they do? I'll have to watch it again cause I don't remember the last bits.
If you label every single aggressive strategy 'cheese', you are officially declaring yourself an incurable mental retard.
Suvorov
Profile Joined December 2010
294 Posts
September 03 2011 21:02 GMT
#77
I watched the trailer again and what you said is not true:

1.- you see nova and some commandos shooting some marines. yes.
2.- they reach a blast door. yes.
3.- the scene is cut by more in-game footage
4.- you see raynor on a pretty similar looking door (albeit with very diff lighting) which is about to blow
5.- you never see kerrigan come out / appear afterwards
If you label every single aggressive strategy 'cheese', you are officially declaring yourself an incurable mental retard.
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
September 03 2011 21:30 GMT
#78
You see Kerrigan at the end...
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
September 04 2011 01:18 GMT
#79
I have a slight feeling Blizzard is just trolling us with Duran and Narud, as it is difficult for me to think that they have a connection.
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urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 03:18:44
September 04 2011 03:17 GMT
#80
On September 04 2011 10:18 epikAnglory wrote:
I have a slight feeling Blizzard is just trolling us with Duran and Narud, as it is difficult for me to think that they have a connection.

There's a quote floating around from one of the main storyline guys confirming, at the least, a connection.

It's in this interview.


Back in April during a SC2 single player story press event we were at, we asked a question about what is going on with Samir Duran – when playing the game all the sudden there was this guy who’s name was Duran spelled backwards. So is there any connection between Samir Duran and Dr. Narud?

*Laughter* That is an interesting question. Yeah, I think it’s safe to say there is a connection between those 2 gentlemen. And certainly the story they are a part of isn’t only not done but is just now getting started. I think it’s very exciting that there is stuff that has been in the works for the background of this universe for many years. Many years in our world, and many many years in their universe that are really going to start to unfold now. And really, it’s all really going to be coming to the forefront in the next few years.
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