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voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 30 2013 12:07 GMT
#981
@Archangel
No the Nydus Worm is to far behind him to kill him directly.
The Marine (i guess the Wilhelm scream one) is stopmed by the Ultra while he looks back on the Nydus.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
January 30 2013 12:57 GMT
#982
@Denda and Dante

Thanks a lot for putting together all this info/artwork for the campaign.

I always loved the story of Starcraft/Broodwar and felt let down by WoL's story line. The Q&A with the lead writer for HotS that are being posted regularly for a few months now give me hope again that HotS will be better.

Also, @Denda, your wallpaper rocks. I have it in my desktop wallpapers folder for rotation now, I really love it.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 30 2013 13:08 GMT
#983
@phagga
thx, glad you like and use it <3<3
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
January 30 2013 15:38 GMT
#984
On January 30 2013 18:08 Denda Reloaded wrote:
@Dante
did you find something interesting?


What? Where? What you talkin' about, Willis?

I was thinking lately about how Kerrigan wanted Raynor to succeed in Wol ("don't give up!") and then in HotS wanting to become one of the Zerg once again. If it was only the deinfestation, that would be... well, not nonsense, but from the perspective of a writer a bit weird.
Maybe that again confirms that the de-infestation was just a side effect and Kerrigan meant the true purpose of the artifact, hoping to have it's effect.
Maybe she hoped on the removal of the influence from Darkvoice?

Or ist it just that Blizz wanted to portray her in a inner conflict, with having 2 personalities or just not being sure what she wants?


Infested Kerrigan was straight-up, no remorse. Sure, she could show mercy, and she'd spare Raynor, yes, but I think she might kill him if it had been convenient for her. She is not being kind, in other words.

Human Kerrigan is a bit more complex. She still has the anger, but now, she also feels the need for revenge. Kindregan answered in one of the Q&As that he considered the Queen of Blades and human Kerrigan to be two different persons. QOB doesn't need to kill Mengsk, because he doesn't pose a threat to her (in her opinion, anyway). But human Kerrigan has the need for revenge. However, she has the room for being less... evil now. She is therefore a somewhat more interesting character than QOB.

What the artifact truly is, I don't know (I've given up guessing). We'll see there.

On January 30 2013 20:58 -Archangel- wrote:
@Dante, in the trailer marine that gets stomped is killed by Nydus worm, not by Ultra.


It's easy to be confused, but no, I'm pretty sure the Ultralisk kills him (not that it matters). He's facing the Ultras, the Nydus pops up, he turns around and look ups (this is significant) and the Ultralisk he now has turned his back to stomps him.
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 30 2013 16:16 GMT
#985
Oh lawl sorry.

Kindregan himself said that they are the same personality :OO
just under the influence of the zerg mutagen but still.
and if there were 2 personalities, QoB would take over, cause she's stronger. (his words)
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
January 30 2013 20:46 GMT
#986
Here is the official answer (source)

Question: In StarCraft, the Queen of Blades told Mengsk that she isn't interested in revenge. Why is killing him suddenly her life's purpose, according to the most recent trailer?

Answer: The Queen of Blades and Sarah Kerrigan are not quite the same person. The Queen of Blades is essentially Sarah Kerrigan under the influence of some devastating forces: incredible power, a dominating level of psi energy, and the presence of Zerg mutagen from the cellular level up. To be clear, the Queen of Blades is not a separate entity that possessed Kerrigan. Kerrigan is (certainly in her mind) responsible for the terrible things she's done. She has immense guilt for those actions, but she was not completely in her "right mind" in Brood War.
All of that is a roundabout way of saying the Queen of Blades felt no need to kill Mengsk. She did not see him as a threat. Sarah Kerrigan, on the other hand, knows that Mengsk wants her dead, and she very much holds a grudge for his abandoning her on Tarsonis.
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 21:03:56
January 30 2013 21:01 GMT
#987
On January 31 2013 05:46 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
Here is the official answer (source)

Question: In StarCraft, the Queen of Blades told Mengsk that she isn't interested in revenge. Why is killing him suddenly her life's purpose, according to the most recent trailer?

Answer: The Queen of Blades and Sarah Kerrigan are not quite the same person. The Queen of Blades is essentially Sarah Kerrigan under the influence of some devastating forces: incredible power, a dominating level of psi energy, and the presence of Zerg mutagen from the cellular level up. To be clear, the Queen of Blades is not a separate entity that possessed Kerrigan. Kerrigan is (certainly in her mind) responsible for the terrible things she's done. She has immense guilt for those actions, but she was not completely in her "right mind" in Brood War.
All of that is a roundabout way of saying the Queen of Blades felt no need to kill Mengsk. She did not see him as a threat. Sarah Kerrigan, on the other hand, knows that Mengsk wants her dead, and she very much holds a grudge for his abandoning her on Tarsonis.


That's what i meant.
Sorry i expressed myself wrong. Ofc, the personality is different, but it is still Sarah, not some kind of "a demon that possessed it's host".
My point was that at least some part of Sarah was in QoB... and, following Kindregans statement, the majority still is.
Also, Sarah was changed when transformed into the QoB, but not replaced by another mind.
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
January 30 2013 21:36 GMT
#988
On January 31 2013 06:01 Denda Reloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 05:46 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
Here is the official answer (source)

Question: In StarCraft, the Queen of Blades told Mengsk that she isn't interested in revenge. Why is killing him suddenly her life's purpose, according to the most recent trailer?

Answer: The Queen of Blades and Sarah Kerrigan are not quite the same person. The Queen of Blades is essentially Sarah Kerrigan under the influence of some devastating forces: incredible power, a dominating level of psi energy, and the presence of Zerg mutagen from the cellular level up. To be clear, the Queen of Blades is not a separate entity that possessed Kerrigan. Kerrigan is (certainly in her mind) responsible for the terrible things she's done. She has immense guilt for those actions, but she was not completely in her "right mind" in Brood War.
All of that is a roundabout way of saying the Queen of Blades felt no need to kill Mengsk. She did not see him as a threat. Sarah Kerrigan, on the other hand, knows that Mengsk wants her dead, and she very much holds a grudge for his abandoning her on Tarsonis.


That's what i meant.
Sorry i expressed myself wrong. Ofc, the personality is different, but it is still Sarah, not some kind of "a demon that possessed it's host".
My point was that at least some part of Sarah was in QoB... and, following Kindregans statement, the majority still is.
Also, Sarah was changed when transformed into the QoB, but not replaced by another mind.


You are heading into quite a metaphysical quandry with all this talk about "mind" and such. Here is an easy way to think about the situation without assuming too many things:

Old Sarah: Human emotions. Subjective mentality.
QoB: Old Sarah's memories. No emotions (besides maybe things like survival-based anger). Objective-based mentality (swarm-like).
New Sarah: Old Sarah's memories. Few or No QoB memories. Human-like emotions. Unknown mentality (probably subjective and moving into hybrid as she regains memories/powers?).
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 30 2013 21:50 GMT
#989
i think QoB was a pure emotionally (hate, rage etc) directed Sarah, while retaining her "intelligence" + memories.
The New Sarah has only the memories of that time left, and her emotions towards the swarm (she rejoins) are new, but triggered because of her past ----> memories.

Sorry, i didn't want to go into metaphysics :D
With mind i mean her brain and consciousness remains the same. (didn't it?)
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
January 30 2013 22:28 GMT
#990
With this debating in mind, I think the deinfested Kerrigan might (theoretically, at least) be a more interesting character than both the human Kerrigan and the QOB, simply because there is a duality now. As I see it, the QOB has two primary attributes: that she talks and behaves like she is the Queen Bitch of the Universe, but also that she truly believes it when she says it. I think we're going to see a lot of that still, but mixed with some doubt and remorse now.

On the other hand, HOTS might be an argument that Kerrigan is completely evil now, and that the difference in form becomes insignificant, given a long enough timeline.
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 23:07:50
January 30 2013 23:05 GMT
#991
On January 31 2013 07:28 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
With this debating in mind, I think the deinfested Kerrigan might (theoretically, at least) be a more interesting character than both the human Kerrigan and the QOB, simply because there is a duality now. As I see it, the QOB has two primary attributes: that she talks and behaves like she is the Queen Bitch of the Universe, but also that she truly believes it when she says it. I think we're going to see a lot of that still, but mixed with some doubt and remorse now.

On the other hand, HOTS might be an argument that Kerrigan is completely evil now, and that the difference in form becomes insignificant, given a long enough timeline.



Yeah, I think it will most likely explore that duality of the old human and old QoB she used to be. I think her emotional connection to the swarm will be like a mother to her child. She will obviously still have some type of species-driven connection to them as well as she can still control and share information with them through some means. But now she feels remorse, doubt, revenge and empathy as well. She is basically a human that has god-like powers thrust onto her which will explore the psyche moving from subjective to objective knowledge (limited to complete). Will be interesting for sure but who knows how well Blizzard will acknowledge, integerate or explore this.

Edit: fixed typo.
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 31 2013 09:47 GMT
#992
I also think that the new Kerrigan is more interesting.
But she has not turned simply "good".
It's more complex that that, she was on both sides (terran/zerg) and is emotionally torn between them.
And each of the sides had different emotions: for the terrans she had hate cause of Mengsk, but love cause of Raynor.

In the demo that Blizz showcased Kerri asked why Abathur lets the Zerglings suffer that he kills because they were "useless".
Still, she fucked up this moral thing in killing Lassara and didn't let a Protoss survive (okay, she was afraid of the Armada, but still...)

And i think Kerrigan understands that her role in the sector is way too important to just let the swarm go insane and rogue without her.
She would have to sacrifice her human part eitherway, if she is interested in the balance of the sector or even the prophecy.
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
February 01 2013 19:11 GMT
#993
So am I the only one who'll play the campaign on brutal from the get-go to make it last longer?
Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
February 01 2013 19:31 GMT
#994
On February 02 2013 04:11 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
So am I the only one who'll play the campaign on brutal from the get-go to make it last longer?


Nah. I'm there too. It's Zerg-based, so it should be easy peasy. ^_^
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
February 01 2013 19:46 GMT
#995
On February 02 2013 04:11 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
So am I the only one who'll play the campaign on brutal from the get-go to make it last longer?

Me too, brutal from the start
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
February 01 2013 21:03 GMT
#996
On February 02 2013 04:31 Kambing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 04:11 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
So am I the only one who'll play the campaign on brutal from the get-go to make it last longer?


Nah. I'm there too. It's Zerg-based, so it should be easy peasy. ^_^


Darn, I play Protoss.
Lordmajeh
Profile Joined January 2013
United States1 Post
February 01 2013 23:39 GMT
#997
On January 19 2013 22:18 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
Gundam (Scrapped)

Impaler (Lurker evo)
Impaler Den (Lurker Den evo)

Primal Lurker
Queen Classic

Lurker
Lurker Cocoon


Found these in the unit list

I'm just... I'm so happy words can't describe it

well except for the scrapped gundam, that would have been pretty sick
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
February 02 2013 00:00 GMT
#998
In one of the interviews for the latest preview, Dustin Browder mentioned that some old favorites might return, though he didn't say which ones. Considering the popularity of the Lurker, I wouldn't bet against it.

voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
February 04 2013 20:00 GMT
#999
Omg a classic queen :OO
didn't notice that, thx for pointing it out!
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
February 05 2013 02:18 GMT
#1000
I really think Kerrigan being reinfested would be really dumb, but I have a horrible feeling it'll happen. WoL campaign was really bad plot wise, hoping HotS is a lot better.

Still can't wait for the game :D .
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