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Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-23 17:16:41
January 23 2013 16:46 GMT
#961
I mean that it doesn't show the outcome of the battle, only the start. So it "spoils" that they're there, but not the rest, if you will.

Some pictures from the gameplay trailer:

[image loading]

Kerrigan seems to be submerged (it's more visible in the video), and really, really angry.

[image loading]

Less angry here. Wonder where she is. Both picture show her as infested. Blizzard is really playing that angle.
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 23 2013 17:14 GMT
#962
You see the position of the Dominion in the trailer, the outcome is quite obvious, except something (as in the leaked ending) appears.
I also noticed some mistakes in the trailer but will be happy if it's only my stupidity and Blizz did everything right:
In the scene where the Ultra gets a Tank blast in the head, we see Banelings/Zerglings rolling/running ahed of it, making them nearer to the Dominion troops /logic.
But after the Nydus worm bursts of the ground the Ultralisk is somehow at the siege line before the Lings (strange, but not automatically a mistake) and kills the Marine (the Banelings should be there long before him or at least the Zerglings).
After the Marine gets bashed by the Ultralisk stomp, we see a scene from above where the Ultras are still like 30 metres away from the siege/marine line and the B/Z-lings are already closing in #nonsense #contradicting. Notice the Nydus worm there which is slowly lowering itself to the ground, which means this scene wasn't just edited, the scenes happened in chronological order and weren't just mixed up.
I hope it is understandable. It's not important and i am not hating, it' okay (in contrast 2 the infamous Wilhelm scream)

"Zerg seems to be submerged (it's more visible in the video), and really, really angry."

what do you mean with that?
She's under water (in the first pic) it seems o.O (maybe a cocoon?)
i noticed those few clips earlier but both aren't cgi so i guess they aren't the ending...

@the second pic: here comes your theory with Kerri midgame killing Mengsk. If it were the ending, it would be CGI in Blizzard fashion. But maybe it's just another event, i don't want to interpret too much bullshit into those things.

lawl i already did.
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
January 23 2013 17:18 GMT
#963
I meant that Kerrigan seems to be submerged. :p Typo!

Not going to discuss mistakes like that. This thread encourages overthinking things, but that territory is not one I'm eager to enter, to be honest. :D
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 23 2013 17:24 GMT
#964
KK no prob... but... am i right?

And yus, Kerrigan seems slightly pissed of #tbh

There was also a scene with a dropshit + planet + lone planet shot.
This scene was in the Blizzcon trailer 2011 but ingame not CGI... let's see if this event deserves the CGI and is lorewise more relevant than Rihannas last single.
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
January 25 2013 10:22 GMT
#965
No details elude me. Blizzard has released an article about what's new in HOTS. It's mostly things we know, but there are some interesting details, specifically this: "Kerrigan’s presence on the battlefield demands a clash of the titans. You’ll send her brood crashing against whole armies, but you’ll also pit the former Queen of Blades and her retinue against immense threats – ancient zerg who refuse to swear fealty, tank-destroying overmechs, and more – in intense ‘boss’ battles unlike any we’ve deployed before in StarCraft."

Ancient zerg who refuse to swear fealty? Cool, must be the primal zerg mentioned earlier.
And boss battles? Yes, please!
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 25 2013 10:36 GMT
#966
Yes i found the site even before Blizz made the news /freak

Yeah, i hoped they also changed the mission/gameplay sites that are linked there.
The Battle Focus is still there which is kinda... old.
I guess those Zerg are overly arrogant Broodmothers and feral/ancient Zerg from Zerus, who else?
Overmechs? Whatever this means, but i'm still very optimistic about the campaign.

I am a Zergfan/player/lorefan and what i didn't like in WoL-campaign was the position you were in. Always under pressure, dodging enemies, hide and defend. This new agressive playstyle alone will make the campaign feel better, imho. Not like "come in quickly, grab something, barely surviving and then asap get the f*** out of there because you ain't in a position to hold out longer". Not sure about the Boss-battles tho.
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
January 25 2013 11:15 GMT
#967
I liked that in WOL. It was realistic and in tone of how the Raiders worked. But yeah, raining death on the enemy will be cool too.
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 11:31:00
January 25 2013 11:24 GMT
#968
Yeah of course, it worked well for Raynor and it would be nonsense giving him the power from the UED for example, but i never liked terrans. Neither gameplay, not lore/design.

But the new theme fits the zerg and i really like it.

And... was the art-department high when they baked this awesome concept
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to this nonsensial crap? (from a designers perspective)
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Or completely demolished this here
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and made this
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I think the concept of the armory (in the design aspect) worked fine for the terrans, this hall with all the prototyped just standing there (a bit weird but who cares).
But not for the zerg. I mean, i understand why Blizzard made it this way, because from a gameplay perspective it makes sense. That doesn't mean it makes sense or looks realistic for zerg organisms to just stand all day long posing... alone (not in groups)
So i think this concept doesn't look natural or fits the zerg. As if this isn't enough they don't only let it in the game, but rather change it and make all the textures even worse. At least the older version looked really organic, the new one doesn't.

I always loved this concept (it's really old, i doubt that it will appear in HotS)
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Sorry i'm always picky on the artist/visual stuff.
I mean, Samwise talks about how they want to make all look and feel organic and he, as a talented artist, should... like... know what's organic and what's not :S
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 25 2013 13:32 GMT
#969
I tried to make a big Wallpaper of Kerri but failed in my usual fashion.
2560x1440, mixed different snippets together, else it was too pixellated. Also i blurred some parts.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/025/7/7/hots_by_dendareloaded-d5sn80c.jpg
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
January 26 2013 18:36 GMT
#970
The new Kerrigan room is not as cool, I agree (hopefully it's not final, though I'd guess it is). The evolution chamber looks good to me, though. I think it's hard to do it any other way. You want an overview of the units. Perhaps these are Abathur's test subjects?

That art you linked was awesome. Where did you get that?

I don't think the wallpaper was too bad.

Got this from the beta:

[image loading]
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 19:49:26
January 28 2013 16:39 GMT
#971
Sorry, i haven't seen the thread being updated and didn't respond.

With the room you mean the Mouth of the leviathan?
What is this new added spawning pool in there?
We always had Abathur there + the Evo Chamber. Looks like he will be only in the chamber as Za'Gara took his place.

The Evo-Chamber looks awful and the concept... well... i wouldn't have any better idea. I guess showcasing actual units is better than their genetic strands Abathur is experimenting with. So i'll be fine with the Evo-Chamer, from the concept, at least.

The art from the Zerg interior? i searched this pic for years and i stumbled upon it :D
But i think i first have seen it in some news about the Taiwan Exhibition back then pre/post-WoL (can't remember) and instantly fell in love <33

Thank you about the Wallpaper c: currently trying to photoshop the most-zoomed-out version of the Box art depicting Kerrigan we have. Merging snippets together etc.

The pic you posted is already know from the Datamine a few weeks/1month ago... or even older.
Yeah it looks like the creature from Zerus Blizzard sneaked in a short video at Blizzcon2011. Still, i doub't that it's from the final mission as *my main argument coming in* they wouldn't spoil it

edit:
Finished:
this is the biggest/zoomed out version i could do with snippets

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had to use even this for example
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[image loading]

and a screencap from the battle-net.
Sorry if it's to dark but watermarks don't look pretty

Also notice, that the face on my version (the face was used for Bnet) looks different than the one from the box-art/promo.
In my opinion prettier and less old. and she doesn't have those unnecessary spikes on the forehead... but she has eyeliner :D

this one is the original without eyeliner, lighter eyes and spikes. i don't know who decided to take the worse.
[image loading]
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 12:23:44
January 29 2013 12:20 GMT
#972
@Dante

Guuuuurl, take a look at this.
[image loading]

It's quite old but i think we all can agree that this is Zerus with it's feral minions. Also the creature resembles the one that we saw in a short clip that will possibly be one of the bosses Kerrigan has to kill.
So, after your theory, which i would like, Zerus happens last, but, as you can see, Kerrigans arm is the only infested part of her body.
Basically, this event finds place in the middle of it all, as she probably will end up being completely infested.

/sigh

edit:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


This is a concept art from Mr.Jack, showcased on Blizzcon 2010.
That thing is pretty big compared to the Zergling, even bigger than in the trailer.
I don't understand why the size is so off-the-scale compared to the expectations.
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
January 29 2013 14:21 GMT
#973
@Denda that second picture you linked is the collector's edition Ultralisk
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 29 2013 15:09 GMT
#974
nomyx: no it is not.
Blizzard stated that Mr.Jack showed "how to make the zerg look cooler" and this was not the CE Torrasque, which looks quite different.

[image loading]

The one from the CE has the same stature from the one in the game, while the one on the concept artwork hasn't those spines on the head or the red glowing.
The anatomy is overall different.
Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
January 29 2013 15:10 GMT
#975
@Denda, well, it's just concept art, so nothing is final.
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
January 29 2013 16:01 GMT
#976
I hope you're right
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
January 29 2013 16:09 GMT
#977
On January 19 2013 22:18 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
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I think the site went up mid-June, a little under one and a half month before the game's release.

Glad you're resurrecting the thread. I'll try to contribute as well. Some of this might have some spoilers, so read on at own risk.

What do we know so far? Well, anyone who's opened the beta editor knows the tilesets:

Char2=(HotS) Char Fortress (Volcanic)
CharDunes=(HotS) Char Marsh
DesertWorld=(HotS) Phaethon (Desert)
DominionLab=(HotS) Umoja (Installation)
HybridLabInner=(HotS) Skygeirr Lab (Space Platform)
HybridLabOuter=(HotS) Skygeirr Platform (Space Platform)
HybridLabXelNaga=(HotS) Immortal Forge (Space Platform)
IceWorld=(HotS) Kaldir (Ice)
KorhalCity=(HotS) Korhal City
KorhalOutskirts=(HotS) Korhal Wastes
KorhalPlatform=(HotS) Korhal Platform
MoebiusStation=(HotS) Moebius Station (Space Platform)
PrisonShip=(HotS) Moros (Installation)
PurifierWorld=(HotS) Purifier World (Urban)
Starship=(HotS) Daelaam Ark (Starship)
Zerus=(HotS) Zerus (Jungle)

Some of these can be seen in this video. The Char Fortress is obviously in there. It belongs to Warfield, of course, as is confirmed here:

[image loading]

The platform with the yellow atmosphere is Skygeirr, a Hybrid Lab. The Char Dunes is most likely the Za'gara mission. Phaethon, being a desert, can be seen in the Akilon Wastes ladder map:

[image loading]

Kaldir and Zerus (it can be seen in the third battle report) we know. The Korhal Platform was seen briefly in the trailer. Someone played around with in the Map Art thread:

[image loading]

The Starship, Daelaam Ark, can be seen in Star Station (I think - it might be Moros).

Here's a tileset, though I don't know which one:

[image loading]

Here are some of the unit splits:

[image loading]

List of new units (not all may appear, and there might be more):

APC
Anti-Air Turret
Anteplott
Artosilope
Bulldozer (Scrapped)
Bulwark/Missile Tank (Scrapped)
Black Hole Monster (Scrapped)
Cleaning Bot
Devourer
Defiler
Dehaka
Egg Monster (Swarm Host)
Evolution Master (Abathur)
Fighter/Fighter Pilot (SCII Alpha Predator Fighter)
Griffon
Gorgon Cruiser/Battlecruiser Giant
Gehenna Cruiser
Guardian
Gun Tower
Gundam (Scrapped)
Missile Launcher (Scrapped)
Healer Bot
Hellion Morph
Kerrigan Ghost
Lab Bot
Mothership Core
Merc Pilot
Odin
Oracle
Pillager (Scrapped, Reaper/Marauder Hybrid Unit)
Raptor (Zergling evo)
Swarmling (Zergling evo)
Gorgeling (Baneling evo)
Splitterling (Baneling evo)
Prowler (Roach evo)
Scavenger (Roach evo)
Mantis (evo)
Incubus (evo)
Magnasaur (evo)
Klurken (evo)
Terrorling (evo)
Swarm Queen (Queen evo)
Larval Queen (Queen evo)
Magnathar (Ultra evo)
Gigalisk (Ultra evo)
Swarm Larva (Swarm Queen Larva)
Creeper (Swarm Host evo)
Carrion (Swarm Host evo)
Nydus Destroyer (Nydus evo)
Creep Tower (Nydus evo)
Fiend (Muta evo)
Fury (Muta evo)
Harpy (Swarm Host Locust evo)
Impaler (Lurker evo)
Impaler Den (Lurker Den evo)
Miasmalisk (evo)
Siegeling (evo)
Trichinella (evo)
Cobra (Viper evo)
Nihilisk (evo)
Behemoth (evo)
Behemoth Chrysalis
Zurvan
Zurvan Core
Zurvan (Submerged)
Zerg Tower Artillery
Space Bull
Space Cow
Scourge Spore
Swarm Host Spawn (Locust)
Transport Pilot
Valkyrie
Viper
Warhound/Merc Commander
Hunter Killer
Widow Mine
Yeti
Yeti Momma
Zagara
Zeus
Zerg Adjutant (Izsha)
Primal Zerg 01
Primal Zerg 02
Primal Zerg Ancient One
Primal Zerg Kraith
Primal Zerg Leader
Primal Zerg Slivan
Primal Zerg Yagdra
Primal Zerg Zurvan
Primal Melee
Primal Ranged
Primal Siegedude
Primal Flyer
Primal Guardian
Primal Tough Guy
Primal Corruptor
Primal King
Primal Roach (Razorback)
Primal Baneling (Bangling)
Primal Lurker
PrimalMercStructure
PrimalMercStructureUprooted
PrimalProductionAUprooted
PrimalProductionBUprooted
PrimalProductionCUprooted
PrimalTownHallUprooted
Primal Lurker
Queen Classic
Scourge Cannon
Titan Mech (Old Warhound, both land and air modes)
Terran Anti-Air Walker (Scrapped)
Purifier Scout (Scrapped)
Sentry Mine (Shredder/Scrapped)
Subjugator
Warp Ship (Mothership Core)
Xel'Naga Healing Shrine
Kraken/TentacleMonster
Lurker
Lurker Cocoon
STBomber
Carrier Scarab (Scrapped)
Firebot (Shredder/Scrapped)
Deep Warren
Lab Bot 1-X
Cloaked Mine
Protoss Crate
Protoss Hero Ship (Scrapped)
Mine Layer (Shredder/Scrapped)
Digester (Old Infestor/Swarm Host model/Scrapped)
Barbed Tentacle
Hybrid Cannon
Hybrid Temple Obelisk
Hybrid Obelisk
Hybrid Holding Cell
Hybrid Generator
Drakkan Pulse Cannon
Dominion Energy Cannon
Landing Tower
Pop Up Turret
Protoss Biomass Storage
Protoss Radio Tower
Dubious Tentacle
Korhal Palace
Mengsk Battlecruiser
Mengsk Banshee
Mengsk Diamondback
Mengsk Firebat
Mengsk Goliath
Mengsk Hellion
Mengsk Marauder
Mengsk Marine
Mengsk Medic
Mengsk Merc Compound (Merc Calldown Center)
Mengsk Reaper
Mengsk Siege Tank
Mengsk Viking
Mengsk Wraith
Pirate Worker
Pirate Capital Ship
Merc AA Tower
Merc Starport
Merc Sentry Tower
Tempest
Thorn Lizard
Umojan Lab Microbot
Umojan Lab Warbot
Battlecruiser Interceptor
Dark Protoss Turret
Infested Dominion Housing (1, 2 and 3)
Lillev (Mutalisk Morph)
Lillev Cocoon (Mutalisk Morph)
Marine Warfield
Militarized Colonist Ship (Flying and Landing)
Militarized Colonist Ship Omega (Flying and Landing)
Narud Xel'Naga
Automated Extractor
Terrazine Refinery
Terrazine Assimilator
RaynorLab (Marine, Lab)
Terrorzor

Here's a brief new description from the pre-order site: "You are Sarah Kerrigan, former Queen of Blades. Once the most feared entity in the galaxy, you now wait in a cell in the depths of a high-security research laboratory. Before the murderous forces of the Terran Dominion close in, you must plot your escape to the dark reaches of space… and reclaim your living empire at the Heart of the Swarm. "

I also found this picture:

[image loading]

That's probably from Korhal, which, by the way, is seemingly not the ending. My guess is it all ends on Zerus.

Is there honestly a unit named STBomber in HotS. Hahaha good job Blizzard.
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Dante.StarCraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
January 30 2013 09:08 GMT
#978
Probably placeholder.
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 09:21:16
January 30 2013 09:08 GMT
#979
@Dante
did you find something interesting?

I was thinking lately about how Kerrigan wanted Raynor to succeed in Wol ("don't give up!") and then in HotS wanting to become one of the Zerg once again. If it was only the deinfestation, that would be... well, not nonsense, but from the perspective of a writer a bit weird.
Maybe that again confirms that the de-infestation was just a side effect and Kerrigan meant the true purpose of the artifact, hoping to have it's effect.
Maybe she hoped on the removal of the influence from Darkvoice?

Or ist it just that Blizz wanted to portray her in a inner conflict, with having 2 personalities or just not being sure what she wants?
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
January 30 2013 11:58 GMT
#980
@Dante, in the trailer marine that gets stomped is killed by Nydus worm, not by Ultra.
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