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On September 01 2010 06:54 Mobius wrote:
i beat it without any research things, and only a couple of credit things on brutal.. didnt seem that hard..
i got mule, faster repair, faster medic heal, marine/marauder/siege tanks and pretty sure thats it
oh and siege tank/marauder mercenaries.
Yea, just having the medic heal + tank upgrades make the game 2x easier right there.
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On September 01 2010 07:31 Shiladie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 06:54 Mobius wrote:
i beat it without any research things, and only a couple of credit things on brutal.. didnt seem that hard..
i got mule, faster repair, faster medic heal, marine/marauder/siege tanks and pretty sure thats it
oh and siege tank/marauder mercenaries. Yea, just having the medic heal + tank upgrades make the game 2x easier right there.
I think '2x easier' is exaggerating quite a bit.
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On the low end... medic heal makes everything exponentially easier. Lower tank splash damage makes the final levels easier.
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I am waiting for All-In..kekeke^^
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All-in without upgrades....try novice, MAYBE normal... rest ? lol ?
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Finally finished my own Gates of Hell (No-upgrades, No-mercs, No-side-mission-units)
Ended up doing it a lot like how marshmallow describes.
Went mainly marines/tanks, having only 1 barracks w/tech and 1 factory(built, not retrieved).
Saved/Loaded a lot, waited each time to see which side the next major attack would be, loading then repositioning tanks accordingly.
Only ended up getting 2 drop-pods - the tanks and the thors. Ended up getting the thors only because there seemed to be a window of no attacks on my base, plus the ultras were easy to kill when i brought about 5 non-seiged tanks with me.
Getting the thors bumped me up past 100 army and triggered the final objective, so i lifted my CC and brought it with my army with all the SCVs (and enough minerals/gas for repairs) for the final push.
At this point i had 14 tanks, 32 MMM, and the 2 thors.
The first base i left my tanks unseiged and it was easy, then for the final stretch i hopped up bit by bit seiging/unseiging.
Now.. time for All-in O.O
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surprised u got to char without upgrades...i couldnt dream of doing it without them. Im rooting for ya, even though All in is gona destroy you....
Nydus or air?
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On September 02 2010 06:03 Zergsassasin wrote:
Nydus or air?
Gonna try both
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On September 02 2010 06:03 Zades wrote:Gonna try both
Same ;D
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Only marine+no upgrades is just going to be flat out impossible on brutal, probably on hard even. Even if you got upgrades(so stim, marine hp, and building stuff) I'd wager you get absolutely stomped on The Dig(earliest mission I can think of that I'm absolutely certain you need more than just marines, there's no way just 2 tanks will save you). Great Train Robbery could be rough, gotta save those initial DB's for those 2 sped up trains and hope you can macro hard for all the marines you're going to lose to bunkers+escorts. Once you start thinking about later missions though? 0% chance. Maw of the Void with 45 hp marines in the rip field? Engine of Destruction vs the siege tanks in the later bases? Supernova vs the final base? All of the Char missions are probably impossible(except Belly of the Beast).
In truth, even some 'easy' missions like Cutthroat(the siege tanks at the end) become impossible without medics to keep some of your army alive and make a macro advantage possible. The bioball strat is so good because you can cheaply mass a huge army that stays alive well through medics(even without upgrade they will at least get your surviving army green for the next fight, saving you thousands of minerals in some missions).
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Holy shit Gates of Hell was sooo hard.
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I haven't watched the VODs but every once in awhile I just check in to see which one's you've completed  Keep going!
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I will give you infinite props if you could beat the 'ALL IN' level w/o any upgrades.
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On September 03 2010 06:29 GreatFall wrote:
I will give you infinite props if you could beat the 'ALL IN' level w/o any upgrades.
We are all waiting for this. I really hope he gets there, because that would be incredible.
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On September 03 2010 06:36 MangoTango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 06:29 GreatFall wrote:
I will give you infinite props if you could beat the 'ALL IN' level w/o any upgrades. We are all waiting for this. I really hope he gets there, because that would be incredible.
It sure would be incredible ESPECIALLY if he goes for the ALL-IN mission vs. Air. I can honestly say that I don't even think it's possible to do that mission without upgrades. I busted my ass to beat that level and I just couldn't do it until I replayed through the campaign and got the Mind Control Towers. It almost broke me =X
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The editing job on both Gates of Hell and Shatter the Sky are bad. You can see where I cut the save/reload. Oh well. I'll go do Belly of the Beast later and then continue with either All In (air) or All In (ground).
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On September 01 2010 07:31 Shiladie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 06:54 Mobius wrote:
i beat it without any research things, and only a couple of credit things on brutal.. didnt seem that hard..
i got mule, faster repair, faster medic heal, marine/marauder/siege tanks and pretty sure thats it
oh and siege tank/marauder mercenaries. Yea, just having the medic heal + tank upgrades make the game 2x easier right there.
well it was also my first time doing the campaign..
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Good luck man, I will personally give you a special achievement if you can best all-in.
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HELP NEEDED!
I need you guys to come up with as many crazy ideas (but it must be somewhat theoretically possible to beat both All In air and nydus!
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Wall in with CCs, build extras inside your base so you can just re-plant your wall, should you lose any of them...that might help a little, if you weren't already doing it...
Mass marine/medic might work...ofc 250mm cannon on kerrigan continually if you can afford it...mass siege tanks where you can place them, but they kinda suck vs kerrigan, so use your MM on her...I guess alot of this isn't really original. (actually, you might be able to play on normal speed to give yourself 25% more APM, if that's also a limiting factor, don't know for sure if you can change it though)
How far are you getting on All In, b/c some of these techniques might not even be relevent...props for getting to the final mission w/o any upgrades!
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