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read the god damned thread... 
edit: ok that was a bit harsh, it just seemed like you'd posted after just reading a line or 2 of the first post...
This is a known 'issue' and isn't something that some people get or some people don't everyone is at 1590 max right now.
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Did anyone follow up on that guy's finding in the game data? Something about a "Hell it's about time" achievement that doesn't show up in the campaign files? Just curious; I thought that sounded pretty interesting.
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Anyone though about using cheat codes in campaign to unlock it ?
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On September 02 2010 20:56 Mr_Kzimir wrote:
Anyone though about using cheat codes in campaign to unlock it ?
Please do that and have no backup save file ^^
Using cheats will disable achievements for the rest of the campaign (my friend actually did it and wondered at the end why he didn't get any achievement lol).
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Got to admit, I haven't read all of the pages, but I had an idea:
We know there's a "secret" with the Tauren Marine. We also know that there's a Murloc hidden on the secret level and a Diablo on one of the Tosh missions. Do they have any secrets that can be triggered somehow? And if so, have anyone tried to trigger all of those secrets in the course of one campaign, i.e. without going back through the archives? Perhaps even on Hard or Brutal? Perhaps if all those are triggered in one play-through, we'll get an achievement that is bugged to the extent that it does not show in your profile and doesn't show when you get it. That might be the bug, not that the numbers don't add up...
In other words, a "Find the 3 cameos" achievement. Which is bugged if you do it through the archives.
My 2 cents.
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On September 02 2010 23:58 iMAniaC wrote:
Got to admit, I haven't read all of the pages, but I had an idea:
We know there's a "secret" with the Tauren Marine. We also know that there's a Murloc hidden on the secret level and a Diablo on one of the Tosh missions. Do they have any secrets that can be triggered somehow? And if so, have anyone tried to trigger all of those secrets in the course of one campaign, i.e. without going back through the archives? Perhaps even on Hard or Brutal? Perhaps if all those are triggered in one play-through, we'll get an achievement that is bugged to the extent that it does not show in your profile and doesn't show when you get it. That might be the bug, not that the numbers don't add up...
In other words, a "Find the 3 cameos" achievement. Which is bugged if you do it through the archives.
My 2 cents.
Funny idea, but frankly speaking, these kind of things are no better than wild guesses. No person at 1600 so far has recalled the achievement being given, so it can be 'anything'. From not skipping any movie, to clicking every item in the lobby rooms, to some ingame battle thing.
I'm wondering, is it possible to check all the achievement icons and see how many of them are not used? Maybe the ones that got dropped are also there, but maybe the icon can give a clue as to what it's about? Should be possible to extract them from the data file in some way.
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A blue post said it was a bug. THEY would be fixing it!!!
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This should be renamed "epic facepalm thread"
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Yep Blizzard has stated that this is a bug, enjoy searching for something that doesn't exist!
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Someone's probably already answered this, but here's two things you need to think about:
- Feats of Strength DON'T give AP!
- The OP's problem is, afaik according to the official forums, a bug!
You cannot solve it!
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On September 03 2010 02:16 TheNomad wrote:
Yep Blizzard has stated that this is a bug, enjoy searching for something that doesn't exist!
Are you really that dumb?
It demonstrably does exist, because people have managed 1600/1600.
If you think its pointless for people to keep wondering, fine, but at least make your arguments valid.
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On September 03 2010 03:39 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 02:16 TheNomad wrote:
Yep Blizzard has stated that this is a bug, enjoy searching for something that doesn't exist! Are you really that dumb? It demonstrably does exist, because people have managed 1600/1600. If you think its pointless for people to keep wondering, fine, but at least make your arguments valid.
The only thing two things that demonstrably exist are:
a) the fact that it's possible to obtain a score of 1600/1600.
b) the fact that there is a very strong correlation between known hackers and people who have 1600/1600.
It's not pointless to keep wondering, it is however pointless to keep looking for ways of getting your own number to 1600/1600.
All the wondering will stop once they fix the bug.
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Ok, finally decided to register here since this seems to be the place where most information on this bug is accumulated in one place. Let me add my couple of cents to this discussion. I know it is a long read but if you are interested in finding out more about this achievement, read on.
Clearly, there is a lot of guesswork concerning the last 10 points. Going over the possibilities, there are a few explanations for the current situation:
Option 1: Blizzard forgot to put in the last 10 pt achievement in the campaign, leaving the grand total 10 points short of 1600. This is doubtful, since some people have actually achieved the 1600 total.
Option 2: This is not a bug at all. There is actually a secret achievement. This is not entirely unthinkable. True, the achievement is not displayed on the profile of those who seem to have obtained it either, but this COULD be simply becuause it is only displayed to people who have the achievement themselves. This train of thought runs into two problems though. A: A blizzard employee stated it actually is a bug. Though this person may or may not be entirely up-to-date on this specific issue, we have to give him(/her) at least some credibility. B: The people who do have these last 10 points do not seem to know how they obtained them either. However, there has not been a lot of contact with these people so they could be either not looking good enough themselves or hiding the information. Considering this info, this option seems possible, but not too likely.
Option 3: The achievement itself is bugged, not triggering when it should be. Although this seems to be the general public opinion, it does not seem too likely since some people have managed to trigger the achievement, though their way of doing so is not clear. It could be possible the achievement doesn't trigger when it should, or only under certain conditions, though a truly random factor is highly unlikely since this would require special programming. This does not mean it cannot seem random to us, until we have figured it out.
Option 4: The achievement itself is not bugged, only the display of the achievement on the profile (both ingame and on web). This actually seems quite likely. What if we actually do not know what the achievement is, it does not give a trigger message, and it does not show on our profiles. We have no way of figuring out what the achievement actually is except for keeping a very close eye on our own stats. The blizzard employee's post could be a credible answer to this possibility as well, indicating the display bug could be fixed rather than a possible broken achievement.
I myself am pretty convinced we are dealing with the fourth option here, since it seems to have the least issues of the options I can think of. So the next step would be, how do we figure out what the achievement actually is. Fortunately, a few other people in this thread have done a lot of thinking and digging on this already, so credits to them.
I studied the profile site markup a bit and found my way to the image files used on the live blizzard site for displaying achievements. There are 6 image files named 0-5 with 81 achievement icons each, though some are empty or clearly unused. I will go through them one by one and type down my findings. If anyone notices something I missed here, please tell!
Note: If I type R1C1 it means row 1 colum 1.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/achievements-0-75.jpg
All of these images seem to be used, mostly for challenges and custom achievements.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/achievements-1-75.jpg
All of these images seem to be used, mostly for campaign achievements.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/achievements-2-75.jpg
Almost all of these images are used, mostly for custom achievements BUT a few stand out.
R9C1 is clearly a leftover from the beta. R9C2 I do not recognize. This could be something. R9C9 is clearly a placeholder and can be ignored.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/achievements-3-75.jpg
All of these images seem to be used, mostly for multiplayer and combat achievements.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/achievements-4-75.jpg
All of these images seem to be used, mostly for multiplayer achievements.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/achievements-5-75.jpg
Almost all of these images are used, mostly for custom achievements BUT one stands out.
R4C8 is an icon of Nova. Though she appears in the campaign there is no achievement associated with her portrait. Since this is clearly part of the campaign achievements, this could be it.
The next point to take into account is the data in the game files, on which people have posted some very good analysis in this thread. Particulary the "Hell it's about time" seems very credible, since it has a clear way of getting the achievement, only fulfilling the conditions doesn't trigger it.
Now that we have some information on the pictures however, we can add up the possibilities. As an achievement about "the alternative mission path", it really fits in well with the nova achievement. So my own conclusion, based on the data we have available right now, would be this is actually the missing achievement. Then how did people trigger it? Short of asking them, we can only do more experimenting ourselves. Did blizzard ever give us any information on which of these missions should be considered "canon"? So, assuming the starcraft universe continues developing, which mission should be considered as "this actually happened, the rest was a possible alternate reality"? If we can figure this out, maybe we can try a campaign choosing exactly the other missions and trigger the achievement. Other than that, if we assume the achievement relies on an exact combination of the three missions, only 8 (2x2x2) playthroughs would do. This doesn't take into account any possible difficullty acquirements though, and there may be other considerations but looking at the data we have available here, this seems like the most reasonable explanation to me.
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someone do it then, beat it 8 times with all the options.
GO!
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I suggest you personally do exhaustive testing on each of those 4 options, and present a detailed report of your findings.
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i think hes done enough, but i doubt someone else will tag in and do more for him, certainly not me
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@J-Maw Excellent writeup, exactly what I was looking for. If I have time, I'll do some testing.
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with thousands of players have 1590 it is very unlikely that not every combination has been played already.
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On September 03 2010 03:49 monad wrote:
b) the fact that there is a very strong correlation between known hackers and people who have 1600/1600.
You keep spouting crap with zero evidence.
There is one "confirmed" (read: rumored) hacker who has it. There is no way of knowing we have found all players who have 1600/1600.
You don't know even close to enough to claim a correlation.
Or anything, for that matter.
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http://eu.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/achievements-5-75.jpg
Almost all of these images are used, mostly for custom achievements BUT one stands out.
R4C8 is an icon of Nova. Though she appears in the campaign there is no achievement associated with her portrait. Since this is clearly part of the campaign achievements, this could be it.
This also links well with the observed differences in Ghost of a Chance highlighting between players who have 1600 and 1590.
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You keep spouting crap with zero evidence.
There is one "confirmed" (read: rumored) hacker who has it. There is no way of knowing we have found all players who have 1600/1600.
Actually if you read back through the thread there's about 5 reports of people with 1600 / 1600, one of which is a widely publicized hacker, and 3 of which people in this thread claim to have played against and who hacked. Their cases just weren't as widely publicized as Vnrocks
So, yea. try again.
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