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Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
August 03 2010 11:23 GMT
#21
I recommend starting over. I think the way the time is calculated is it takes the lowest score of each mission you've done (on normal difficulty or higher) and adds it. I'm assuming you, like most people, completed a lot of unnecessary missions (e.g. zeratul missions), so that will just add more time. If you start a new campaign and just play the required 19 missions (I think 19 is the minimum), then you'll save yourself the time from the other 7 missions.

This might be wrong if my theory on how the time is calculated is wrong, though. Anyway, I found replaying the campaign on normal difficulty under 8 hours is easily doable, and I'm not one of the better speedrunners on TL, so you should be fine.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
August 03 2010 13:34 GMT
#22
On August 03 2010 19:48 ChickenLips wrote:
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On August 03 2010 18:43 Zzoram wrote:
I replayed all the missions in Archives on Normal, I added up the time for every mission to be 446 minutes (~7.5 hours) and I didn't get the achievement. I am not amused.


Kind of obvious that they don't want you to steamroll the campaign with every upgrade and tech imaginable.


That is not how that works.

You only have the upgrade and tech that you had when you first played that mission.
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georgir
Profile Joined May 2009
Bulgaria253 Posts
August 03 2010 14:04 GMT
#23
They could have made it so it counts time you wasted on failed attempts before you restart/reload an old save. Not hard technically, and would make sense. The achievement is for completing the campaign quickly - why would you expect to get it if you were retrying each level 20 times trying to optimize your result for several days?
Starfox
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria699 Posts
August 03 2010 15:27 GMT
#24
Is there a list of mission you can you skip and still invade char?
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Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
August 03 2010 15:43 GMT
#25
On August 03 2010 22:34 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 19:48 ChickenLips wrote:
On August 03 2010 18:43 Zzoram wrote:
I replayed all the missions in Archives on Normal, I added up the time for every mission to be 446 minutes (~7.5 hours) and I didn't get the achievement. I am not amused.


Kind of obvious that they don't want you to steamroll the campaign with every upgrade and tech imaginable.


That is not how that works.

You only have the upgrade and tech that you had when you first played that mission.


Unless it's a mission you're going back to do that you skipped. Maybe not relevant to this achievement, but if you're struggling to beat a mission on brutal, skip it completely and come back with tech reactors and upgraded banshees and vikings; because we all know those beat every mission except All-In.
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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
August 03 2010 17:46 GMT
#26
On August 04 2010 00:27 Starfox wrote:
Is there a list of mission you can you skip and still invade char?


You need to do the artifact line so mission requirements are:

To unlock The Dig, you need 8 completed missions (Including Smash & Grab)

To unlock The Mobeius Factor, you need 11 completed missions (Including The Dig)

To unlock Supernova, you need 14 completed missions (Including The Mobeius Factor)


Thus, the shortest route you can take is:

Liberation -> Outlaws -> Zero Hour -> Smash & Grab + Any 4 -> The Dig + Any 2 ->
The Mobeius Factor + Any 2 -> Supernova -> Maw of the Void -> Char
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ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 01:00:06
August 03 2010 18:42 GMT
#27
self-nuked
Poobah
Profile Joined February 2010
England91 Posts
August 03 2010 21:59 GMT
#28
I would do the first three Zeratul missions asap because they are all really fast, and then ditch the fourth one because In Utter Darkness takes ages.

I would skip Tosh all together. None of the three units you get for his mission line are any good and the first two missions take quite a while to do as well.

Something like this seems like it'd be fast. Giving some aproximate times based on how fast I did these on my hard play through and on brutal if my brutal time was better which was mostly the case since I knew what I was doing on brutal. Rounded some of the times down a little cause I know they get dramatically easier on normal:

Liberation Day (5m) -> The Outlaws (5m) -> Zero Hour (20m) -> Smash & Grab (10m) -> 40m total aproximately

-> Evacuation (20m) -> Outbreak (25m) -> Train Robbery (20m) -> Safe Haven (10m) -> The Dig (takes ages, on hard and brutal, dunno if it's much shorter on normal because I guess there are a lot less things to shoot with your laser beam, call it 35m but maybe a lot shorter). -> 115m total

-> Whispers of Doom (20m) -> A Sinister Turn (20m maybe a lot less on normal) -> Echoes of the Future (5m) -> The Mobius Factor (10m) -> 170m total

Cutthroat (20m) -> Supernova (20m) -> Maw of the Void (30m) -> 240m total. That's 4 hours to get to Char.
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SugarBear
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States842 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 00:57:59
August 04 2010 00:21 GMT
#29
On August 04 2010 06:59 Poobah wrote:
I would do the first three Zeratul missions asap because they are all really fast, and then ditch the fourth one because In Utter Darkness takes ages.

I would skip Tosh all together. None of the three units you get for his mission line are any good and the first two missions take quite a while to do as well.

Something like this seems like it'd be fast. Giving some aproximate times based on how fast I did these on my hard play through and on brutal if my brutal time was better which was mostly the case since I knew what I was doing on brutal. Rounded some of the times down a little cause I know they get dramatically easier on normal:

Liberation Day (5m) -> The Outlaws (5m) -> Zero Hour (20m) -> Smash & Grab (10m) -> 40m total aproximately

-> Evacuation (20m) -> Outbreak (25m) -> Train Robbery (20m) -> Safe Haven (10m) -> The Dig (takes ages, on hard and brutal, dunno if it's much shorter on normal because I guess there are a lot less things to shoot with your laser beam, call it 35m but maybe a lot shorter). -> 115m total

-> Whispers of Doom (20m) -> A Sinister Turn (20m maybe a lot less on normal) -> Echoes of the Future (5m) -> The Mobius Factor (10m) -> 170m total

Cutthroat (20m) -> Supernova (20m) -> Maw of the Void (30m) -> 240m total. That's 4 hours to get to Char.


Sounds good, except I would trade out Supernova for media blitz because thors are very useful for rushing the drop pod level on char, and you can beat it in 20 minutes easy if you keep the odin alive.

Edit: forgot Supernova was a artifact mission. Nevermind.
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ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
August 04 2010 00:56 GMT
#30
Oh I see, the protoss missions count XD lol. I was thinking they didn't count somehow
btlyger
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States470 Posts
August 04 2010 01:05 GMT
#31
On August 03 2010 19:58 orgolove wrote:
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Got this and Kerrigan's portrait in same playthrough. Rite Here.

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You sir are a god among men. Finally got my kerrigan, but most missions were like 30 minutes or something crazy.
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Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 03:45:36
August 04 2010 03:41 GMT
#32
i finished all in with ~6hr of time according to archives but didnt get the achievement... =/

edit1: i redid one of the protoss missions in casual to pick up artifacts, would that be the reason?
kayl
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden27 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-05 01:07:34
August 05 2010 01:06 GMT
#33
I just finished with a 7 hour mission time, according to archives. No hassle, just played straight through. With 21/26 missions complete. And guess what? No achievement, yay. And this is the only one I have left in the single player part.

I hate you battle.net, you stupid broken piece of crap.

Never mind, when I tabbed back in after ragewriting this I had received it D:
Eredia
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden47 Posts
August 05 2010 01:11 GMT
#34
Well I did play it yesterday during the whole "all achievements are turned off untill further notice" and didnt recieve it after completing my playthrough. Same thing happened to my friend that played parallell to me.
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-05 01:29:05
August 05 2010 01:28 GMT
#35
I did a full run though 19 of the 26 missions in about 5 hrs. I had plenty of time to spare. I did all the research parts in the missions because they really didn't take any extra time.:

Liberation Day
The Outlaws
Zero Hour
Smash and Grab
The Devil's Playground
Welcome to the Jungle
The Great Train Robbery
Cutthroat
The Dig
Whispers of Doom
A Sinister Turn
Echoes of the Future
In Utter Darkness
The Moebius Factor
Supernova
Maw of the Void
The Gates of Hell
Belly of the Beast
All In

Its on normal, so its not really very hard.
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theytookourjobs
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden79 Posts
August 06 2010 05:47 GMT
#36
I take it the 8 hour timer only runs when doing missions, right? Or does it also run in between missions like when you're in the cantina and stuff?
Brannigan
Profile Joined August 2010
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 06:29:36
August 06 2010 06:28 GMT
#37
Hi guys,

After I finished the whole 29/29 missions on brutal, I started a new campaign to get the armory achievements (saved up my money, saved, bought all of a kind, loaded, bought all of the next kind...and so on). I did all normal/hard achievements in that second rush too (exept for the timerun and this "Lost Viking"-crap). What pissed me already then was, that my brutal times weren't listed anymore, since i was playing a "new campaign".

Afterwards i decided to try to finish the game below 8h. I wanted to do that out of the archive, so i replayed almost every mission (exept for the timed ones ofc) and after i finally made a total time of 477:36 in all 29 missions --> no achievement. Have to admit, that i was kinda pissed. So i can confirm, that it won't work, if you try the achievement out of archieves and just lower the missiontime. What a shame 8/

So now i have to do another run, after which one can't even see my hard-times anymore on archieves. I guess i gonna do that speedrun and load one of the old savegames from my brutalrush afterwards.

Regards Brannigan
patrick321
Profile Joined August 2004
United States185 Posts
August 06 2010 06:51 GMT
#38
Awesome first post brannigan! I'm sure just about everybody who has the award was hoping they could do what you did. It's good to finally have an answer.
reddoggultima
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 07:22:50
August 06 2010 07:21 GMT
#39
Wish they could've just let you go back through the archives... the acheivment wording is misleading
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ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 10:34:17
August 06 2010 10:32 GMT
#40
On August 04 2010 06:59 Poobah wrote:
I would do the first three Zeratul missions asap because they are all really fast, and then ditch the fourth one because In Utter Darkness takes ages.

I would skip Tosh all together. None of the three units you get for his mission line are any good and the first two missions take quite a while to do as well.

Something like this seems like it'd be fast. Giving some aproximate times based on how fast I did these on my hard play through and on brutal if my brutal time was better which was mostly the case since I knew what I was doing on brutal. Rounded some of the times down a little cause I know they get dramatically easier on normal:

Liberation Day (5m) -> The Outlaws (5m) -> Zero Hour (20m) -> Smash & Grab (10m) -> 40m total aproximately

-> Evacuation (20m) -> Outbreak (25m) -> Train Robbery (20m) -> Safe Haven (10m) -> The Dig (takes ages, on hard and brutal, dunno if it's much shorter on normal because I guess there are a lot less things to shoot with your laser beam, call it 35m but maybe a lot shorter). -> 115m total

-> Whispers of Doom (20m) -> A Sinister Turn (20m maybe a lot less on normal) -> Echoes of the Future (5m) -> The Mobius Factor (10m) -> 170m total

Cutthroat (20m) -> Supernova (20m) -> Maw of the Void (30m) -> 240m total. That's 4 hours to get to Char.


Following this path I got through easy peezy. I'm a silver player in multiplayer so it doesn't take much skill
With the dig make sure you are aggressive and take out their bases. Then just go afk until the laser cuts through. I put in about 20-30 extra minutes to get to char. I did the anti-air mission as well. Probably ended up around 6-7 hours total.

Critical upgrades: marines, medic healing efficiency, banshees, viking range, siege tanks, bunkers, scv repair, CC reactor, orbital command, and PF

I did not have to re-do any missions. I suspect that doing anything in the archives screws up the achivement so be wary.

Mission times are the only ones that count. I frequently went AFK on victory screens and in the hyperion. Also, I did this over the course of 3 days so real time doesn't matter at all.
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