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On October 30 2009 05:30 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 03:11 Foucault wrote:
Um his goal is to loose weight and not build muscle. You are basing that on the notion that you would want to focus on strength instead of endurance training.
So a runner would of course want to run first and then do some weight lifting. It doesn't matter what his goal is. The prescribed is for the most part best for all scenarios. ANd you're underestimating how much strength training (even on the side) helps with weight loss and conservation of muscle mass.
And if the scenario is that he IS a runner and wants to get better at running?
Yeah, actually you might be right. I know it conserves muscle mass but I might be biased towards cardio for some reason. I dunno, it's just a personal preference because I like running. Then again I think some people are a bit too lazy when it comes to cardio, and they only do weights which like is good and all, but your heart and brain needs exercise too in the form of cardio.
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HooTie those are some crazy good results! Keep up the good work, and let us know more! Im really impressed.
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fun thread:
+ Show Spoiler +Don't worry, i continued to eat, of course. But i wanted to try to see if I can go a week or so with strictly drinking milk and water with my meals. After a few days I felt fine, but by the end of the week I felt very weak, light headed, and sometimes felt like I wanted to faint(kind of). So I drank some cranberry juice, and some gatorade, and I felt completely fine. My question is, was my body lacking the vitamins and electrolytes because I drank water and milk for a drink? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090325090635AA9ZLhN
what i done today:
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tried NOT using smith machine for the first time
squat - quite painful, i obv dont have much to balance the bar on. but i was shocked that i raised my load (by 2.5kg) whilst maintaining form (making sure i was squatting far enough). done lots of warmups aswell since i was scared shitless.
my gym is SO tiny....i had people walking past constantly and a guy was doing crunches with his head directly underneath the right side of my bar!!! (im in a crappy rack tho)
bench press - had to decrease my load by 5kg . smith lets you cheat a bit i think. wasn't as bad as i feared. concentrated on squeezing ma glutes!! didnt ever think about this whilst on the smith...
chin-ups - tried these. can't do 1. kept trying. looked like a tard. will try again
nutrition - havent actually eaten anything today... but i have had 4 litres of milk and gonna have 2 more and maybe a sandwich when i get home. hope this is okay :s
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On October 30 2009 06:22 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 05:30 eshlow wrote:On October 30 2009 03:11 Foucault wrote:
Um his goal is to loose weight and not build muscle. You are basing that on the notion that you would want to focus on strength instead of endurance training.
So a runner would of course want to run first and then do some weight lifting. It doesn't matter what his goal is. The prescribed is for the most part best for all scenarios. ANd you're underestimating how much strength training (even on the side) helps with weight loss and conservation of muscle mass. And if the scenario is that he IS a runner and wants to get better at running? Yeah, actually you might be right. I know it conserves muscle mass but I might be biased towards cardio for some reason. I dunno, it's just a personal preference because I like running. Then again I think some people are a bit too lazy when it comes to cardio, and they only do weights which like is good and all, but your heart and brain needs exercise too in the form of cardio.
In some cases, it depends.
For runners (sprinters, endurance), most do strength/power work first and then separate it hours after with their running. This is ideal.
If they have to do have to do it in a single session, a lot depends on their ability. For example, if their running form is good and their lifting technique is deficient, you'd want to put the lifting first when you're fresh. If the other way around then vice versa. All things being equal, strength work generally comes first.
So yes, most of the time it's even before running for runners.
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Biomed:
sounds like some hypoglycemia. Do you have diabetes or anything like that?
Eat fruit instead of drinking gatorade or juices.. MUCH more healthy.
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On October 30 2009 09:17 eshlow wrote:
sounds like some hypoglycemia. Do you have diabetes or anything like that?
Eat fruit instead of drinking gatorade or juices.. MUCH more healthy.
that wasnt my thread lol it was some random guy, i just thought it was funny thread :D ie the guy thought he got ill from drinking water and milk instead of fizzy drinks, and the responses
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Hey eshlow what do you think of doing powercleans as 15 singles with 30-45 seconds between instead of 5x3 in a starting strength based routine?
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On October 30 2009 09:29 Drowsy wrote:
Hey eshlow what do you think of doing powercleans as 15 singles with 30-45 seconds between instead of 5x3 in a starting strength based routine?
5x3 is probably better... were you thinking of going heavier with 15 singles or something?
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GOALS FOR NOVEMBER, ending December 1st.
-1900 calories / day
-180g protein / day
-less than 50g carbohydrate / day
-cardio every day
-gym four days a week
Objectives:
-add 2cm chest
-add 2cm to bicep (unflexed)
-lose 2cm off stomach
-lose 2% body fat
-maintain overall weight as much as possible, aim only to lose fat
ill let you know how it turns out with some pictures on Dec. 1 
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On October 30 2009 10:15 jfazz wrote:ill let you know how it turns out with some pictures on Dec. 1
got any "before" picture for us now? 
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On October 30 2009 10:03 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 09:29 Drowsy wrote:
Hey eshlow what do you think of doing powercleans as 15 singles with 30-45 seconds between instead of 5x3 in a starting strength based routine? 5x3 is probably better... were you thinking of going heavier with 15 singles or something?
Yeah, I did it last week with heavier weight and the form was waaayyy better. My gym has no bumpers so I feel like I'm wasting a lot of energy between reps just lowering the weight and I feel like singles mitigate this somewhat.
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On October 30 2009 10:31 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 10:03 eshlow wrote:On October 30 2009 09:29 Drowsy wrote:
Hey eshlow what do you think of doing powercleans as 15 singles with 30-45 seconds between instead of 5x3 in a starting strength based routine? 5x3 is probably better... were you thinking of going heavier with 15 singles or something? Yeah, I did it last week with heavier weight and the form was waaayyy better. My gym has no bumpers so I feel like I'm wasting a lot of energy between reps just lowering the weight and I feel like singles mitigate this somewhat.
If form is better, I'd say that would be a good alternative. Just make sure you're recovering well from workouts and it's cool.
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There the ones from October somewhere in the thread, im a little more muscled since then, but not a whole lot, so they will do.
These are from the first of October:
68kg - 96cm chest - 26cm biceps - 70cm stomach - 9% fat
so, Dec.1 pics will show 2 months difference, which will hopefully be a lot 
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haha i like your little reindeer-nose nips
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I recently started to work out (start of September). It's really hard to get into it at first, but once you go at it for two weeks or so it doesn't become hard anymore as you start seeing some results. Results alone are enough to motivate me to keep going.
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On October 30 2009 10:31 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 10:03 eshlow wrote:On October 30 2009 09:29 Drowsy wrote:
Hey eshlow what do you think of doing powercleans as 15 singles with 30-45 seconds between instead of 5x3 in a starting strength based routine? 5x3 is probably better... were you thinking of going heavier with 15 singles or something? Yeah, I did it last week with heavier weight and the form was waaayyy better. My gym has no bumpers so I feel like I'm wasting a lot of energy between reps just lowering the weight and I feel like singles mitigate this somewhat.
Do you have someone teaching you? If you want, post a video of your form so we can tweak it.
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On October 30 2009 12:56 AoN.DimSum wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 10:31 Drowsy wrote:On October 30 2009 10:03 eshlow wrote:On October 30 2009 09:29 Drowsy wrote:
Hey eshlow what do you think of doing powercleans as 15 singles with 30-45 seconds between instead of 5x3 in a starting strength based routine? 5x3 is probably better... were you thinking of going heavier with 15 singles or something? Yeah, I did it last week with heavier weight and the form was waaayyy better. My gym has no bumpers so I feel like I'm wasting a lot of energy between reps just lowering the weight and I feel like singles mitigate this somewhat. Do you have someone teaching you? If you want, post a video of your form so we can tweak it.
Yes I had a coach teach me about a 6 months ago with bumpers and a platform. It just gets a little different when I have to focus so much energy on dropping the weight each time since we don't have bumpers at my current gym and the floors are concrete. I feel like it's easier to keep the form consistent between reps doing singles when I have to expend so much energy on getting the weight back to the floor.
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eshlow:
What you're missing is that many runners hardly do any strength work at all. I dunno which runners you are referring to but deadlifts won't really help a runner that much, running on the other hand will. Sprinters will do more explosive strength work and it will of course help them but with longer distances, more muscle will probably work against you.
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I was getting terrible lower back pains while running, after a month of strengthening my lower back with a ton of heavy deadlifts, I don't get those anymore. Same with calve cramps running up hill, strengthened my calves and the pain takes 2-3 times as long to immerse.
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missed a week b/c I was sick.
Still recovering but hitting the gym anyways! lol
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On October 30 2009 21:20 Energies wrote:
I was getting terrible lower back pains while running, after a month of strengthening my lower back with a ton of heavy deadlifts, I don't get those anymore. Same with calve cramps running up hill, strengthened my calves and the pain takes 2-3 times as long to immerse.
Yeah I'm doing rehab work with deadlifts and squats too because my lower back hurts. Of course it's good to do if your back is weak but it won't help your running that much. A strong core of course helps running but runners usually already got that
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