EPT2023 - 2024 Football Thread - Page 59
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gTank
Austria2666 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28894 Posts
Isn't the whole lack of consistency due to the fact that there are a lot of different people voting, that some of these are swapped from year to year, and that they just tend to vote in whichever fashion they deem most reasonable? So you'll have some who think 'well the world cup is the most important' and some who think 'overall best player matters most' and some who think 'most trophies' and some who have world cup as #1 trait and most trophies as second most important and some who have world cup as #1 and 'overall best player' as #2. Consequently you'll see different elements valued the most in different years. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18442 Posts
On January 16 2024 19:43 WombaT wrote: I’m saying historically if ‘who had the best season and is the best footballer?’ as criteria was used, Messi would have more than he does. Ronaldo won one in a season his team didn’t actually win anything, but he was individually incredible. If you use the same criteria for this recent award, it wouldn’t be Messi. But if the criteria is ‘who grabbed the World Cup by the balls?’ I mean it’s him. The problem is shifting the criteria continuously, just pick one and stick with it. Cannavaro had an incredible World Cup and won it, he wasn’t out of this world amazing that year at club level. Wesley Sneijder takes Inter to a treble, the Dutch to a World Cup final and doesn’t win it. Modric wins it by taking Croatia to the World Cup final but with a less impressive club season. Decide what the award is meant to actually be, and run with it. Is it the best footballer, or is it the footballer who achieved the most as part of a unit while providing clutch moments at critical times? Until these bodies can actually decide, complaining about inconsistency in an inherently inconsistent award seems redundant to me. I mean, this award is well defined: it's who do footballers think is the best player in the world. Voters are other football players, and that's that. It's a very subjective award and deserves 0 attention. So stop giving it attention  | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4385 Posts
He had his run and at this point im not sure he jas what it takes anymore. | ||
GTR
51693 Posts
ajax is a strange club to go to, given how shit they've been this season | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
On January 17 2024 18:02 GTR wrote: https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1747520530914136244 ajax is a strange club to go to, given how shit they've been this season It’s still a move I like, it’s a relative novelty for very high profile British players to play outside of England, and hey Ajax has a hell of a lot of history. Plus I mean he’s no Xavi style technician but damn is Henderson a good leader of men, so having such a character in a dysfunctional setup not exactly lacking in innate talent seems a good fit. As someone who was incredibly disappointed in Henderson for moving to Saudi in the first place, like to see it. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18747 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6321 Posts
On January 17 2024 18:28 WombaT wrote: It’s still a move I like, it’s a relative novelty for very high profile British players to play outside of England, and hey Ajax has a hell of a lot of history. Plus I mean he’s no Xavi style technician but damn is Henderson a good leader of men, so having such a character in a dysfunctional setup not exactly lacking in innate talent seems a good fit. As someone who was incredibly disappointed in Henderson for moving to Saudi in the first place, like to see it. He probably didn't have much choice if he really wanted to leave Saudi Arabia as soon as possible. Apparently Juventus was also interested but only for a loan and Henderson's club did not want that. I agree that Henderson seems like a very good fit for current Ajax. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On January 17 2024 18:48 sharkie wrote: Wow his club is really letting him go? Bye bye millions for his fee He bought himself out of his own contract is what they are saying. Plus he signed for small money. Everyone is bailing on Saudi already it seems. Saudi i think might bail as well as they already have the world cup now. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18747 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
On January 18 2024 16:26 sharkie wrote: Its not really bailing. Its players realising money is not everything It’s not everything but it sure helps a lot! Thing is these guys were already earning such figures that it’s not life-changing due to diminishing returns, and the negatives of such a move remain just as negative Offer a poor person, or even merely earning decent money multiple times their salary, yeah that’s a much different proposition as that can make a big difference in their lives | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
On January 18 2024 16:26 sharkie wrote: Its not really bailing. Its players realising money is not everything took them long enough, even after they're already worth 9 figs in some instances. Absolute knobheads the lot of them. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
On January 19 2024 00:49 FlaShFTW wrote: took them long enough, even after they're already worth 9 figs in some instances. Absolute knobheads the lot of them. I really don’t begrudge any of them bar Henderson. Wouldn’t be my call if I was in their position, but it was only he who made principled stances on social issues only for him to go to a place with a terrible record on said same issues | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7406 Posts
And Benzema. The Saudi fans hate him cause he missed some sitters | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4385 Posts
On January 19 2024 18:49 Harris1st wrote: I think Firminho is looking for an out as well. He was seen in Liverpool watching home games. And Benzema. The Saudi fans hate him cause he missed some sitters Maybe because he also got the previous year champion coach fired and made a mess of that locker room? Or am i misremembering? | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
On January 19 2024 00:55 WombaT wrote: I really don’t begrudge any of them bar Henderson. Wouldn’t be my call if I was in their position, but it was only he who made principled stances on social issues only for him to go to a place with a terrible record on said same issues No, I don't either. I just hate the hypocrites who pretend like they're actually doing something to help other people. Like, no, you went there to take the money. Stop lying. It's the same with the LIV golfers who jumped ship and pretend like they're "growing the game." No, you went to make a boat load of money. I respect the guys who went to take the money and admit as much (Harold Varner III, Abraham Ancer, DJ). Also how does the Japanese national team always end up doing something like this? Favorites in the Asia Cup, lose to Iraq. Severe underdogs in WC, beat Spain and Germany. They need to be perpetual underdogs to win. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18747 Posts
I almost hope we get eliminated in the group stage so someone better takes over for the world cup | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
On January 20 2024 02:38 sharkie wrote: Japanese national team lost because the manager is horrible. If you guys rememeber I was saying that over a year ago... I almost hope we get eliminated in the group stage so someone better takes over for the world cup Yeah I heard a lot of complaints regarding the manager back in the WC. Japan's team is far too good to be losing to Iraq. | ||
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GTR
51693 Posts
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