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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4385 Posts
January 09 2024 23:48 GMT
#1141
What happened to chelsea today?

Pande, stay strong, things will improve one day!

In other news, Werner to tottenham is interesting.
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MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
January 10 2024 09:16 GMT
#1142
Chelsea one-upping United's profligacy against Wigan.
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
January 10 2024 09:30 GMT
#1143
On January 10 2024 08:48 KobraKay wrote:
What happened to chelsea today?

Pande, stay strong, things will improve one day!

In other news, Werner to tottenham is interesting.

Given Ange has seemingly got a tune out of basically every player under him, it is interesting indeed. Even a Werner who isn’t fully on his game always gives you energy and the pace to stretch a game which is useful in itself, and if he can replicate his last few pre-Chelsea seasons you get a whole lot more again.

Very good signing IMO, worst case you don’t see much of him and he doesn’t displace Tottenham’s current forwards all too often, but is an option if there’s an injury crisis. Best case you get a very potent player indeed
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4385 Posts
January 10 2024 17:05 GMT
#1144
Yeah I see him as a good fit for tottenham if he manages to play for his strenghts and hits the net here and there
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
January 10 2024 19:48 GMT
#1145
Feels like this is the season of teams that can't finish. Teams that are outperforming their expected place in the table are doing so with some pretty solid finishers (Villa, Wolves, Newcastle before injury crisis). Teams like Chelsea, Manu, Arsenal are all struggling even with solid teams on paper because they can't finish. It's also a reason I still have City beating Liverpool this season because we still don't have a clinical striker (well, Jota fills that role until Mo gets back but we need better finishing from Diaz and Nunez before I can feel confident, plus our injury list is getting very long).

Speaking of injuries, Trent out for a few weeks, we have Joe Gomez playing both RB and LB now. Dude is going to cover the entire pitch at this point. I really hope he doesn't get injured too, he's been immense for us but has been playing so many minutes. Bradley gets the start today, he did well against Martinelli so hopefully he can replicate that performance for us today.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 10 2024 20:42 GMT
#1146
On January 10 2024 08:48 KobraKay wrote:
What happened to chelsea today?

Pande, stay strong, things will improve one day!

In other news, Werner to tottenham is interesting.

Its so depressing, Poch is a serial loser at this point with his attitude, doesn't help he plays people in the wrong position every week. Turned Enzo into some really poor midfielder and then yesterday awful awful performances, tops off with only 3 players going over to the fans after the game....they made a 4 hour plus trip on a tuesday night to watch that and only Thiago Silva, Colwill, Broja and Gilchrist (Academy kid) went over to apologise/clap the fans, thats disgusting!!!

Also how Poch treats Thiago Silva is utter disgraceful!
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
January 10 2024 21:57 GMT
#1147
Told you that Postecoglou is better
No worries, as an Arsenal fan I am also hating the fact that Spurs got him
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
January 10 2024 22:24 GMT
#1148
Concede First FC is back, but Klopp is still the best manager in the world with making adaptations on the fly. Nunez came on and totally swung the game back for us.

Just need to get through these next few games, no losses (I'm ok with a draw to Arsenal away) and we'll have a full squad to terrorize the league with coming into mid Feb.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 11 2024 19:30 GMT
#1149
Being better than rubbish isn't exactly something to shout about though is it. Ange might be better than Poch but i would still rather have Lampard or Potter back over them both
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
January 11 2024 19:49 GMT
#1150
On January 12 2024 04:30 Pandemona wrote:
Being better than rubbish isn't exactly something to shout about though is it. Ange might be better than Poch but i would still rather have Lampard or Potter back over them both


Lampard or Potte over Postecoglou? Wow! You really dont want to admit he is a good coach :D
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4436 Posts
January 12 2024 04:57 GMT
#1151
On January 12 2024 04:30 Pandemona wrote:
Being better than rubbish isn't exactly something to shout about though is it. Ange might be better than Poch but i would still rather have Lampard or Potter back over them both

I presume this is hyperbole because wanting Lampard back would be some serious masochism
Sucker for nostalgia
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7406 Posts
January 15 2024 10:18 GMT
#1152
On January 11 2024 02:05 KobraKay wrote:
Yeah I see him as a good fit for tottenham if he manages to play for his strenghts and hits the net here and there


Haven't seen the game but media says Werners debut performance was solid
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 15 2024 16:18 GMT
#1153
Meanwhile Man City has nearly 200 charges of the exact same thing yet their owners are able to afford to tie them up by attorneys...

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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
January 16 2024 06:07 GMT
#1154
Hahaha what bad publicity for fifa: messi won Fifa Best in a time span that started after the world cup

When it was announced the whole room was silenced and no messi around to takr award
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2666 Posts
January 16 2024 07:35 GMT
#1155
This award is such a joke. Same as ballon d'or. They could rename it to "messi trophy" and I wouldn't even be surprised.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
January 16 2024 10:10 GMT
#1156
Its problem is inconsistency above all else. If your criteria is consistent excellence as an individual over a whole year? Or is it peaking for the business end of the CL or an international competition? Or is it being an integral part of a team that sweeps all before it?

Pick one! I’ve seen players get it across all three of those criteria and they’re rather different.

Tbh if it was just being the outright best footballer every year, if anything Messi would probably have more of these awards than he does currently.

Also they should just tie it to the season, doing it on an annual basis is just a bit wonky. It’s just easier to mentally assess who had a great season, with its buildup from early days to business end than to consider who had a great year encompassing half of both
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51693 Posts
January 16 2024 10:23 GMT
#1157
mourinho sacked by roma, wow.

https://www.asroma.com/en/news/70283/jose-mourinho-to-leave-as-roma-with-immediate-effect
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gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2666 Posts
January 16 2024 10:26 GMT
#1158
On January 16 2024 19:10 WombaT wrote:
Its problem is inconsistency above all else. If your criteria is consistent excellence as an individual over a whole year? Or is it peaking for the business end of the CL or an international competition? Or is it being an integral part of a team that sweeps all before it?

Pick one! I’ve seen players get it across all three of those criteria and they’re rather different.

Tbh if it was just being the outright best footballer every year, if anything Messi would probably have more of these awards than he does currently.

Also they should just tie it to the season, doing it on an annual basis is just a bit wonky. It’s just easier to mentally assess who had a great season, with its buildup from early days to business end than to consider who had a great year encompassing half of both


Its not quite the whole truth...yes he is a great football player but (no offense) playing in MLS does not prove anything. Meanwhile other candidates had stellar performances in the best leagues and competitions in the world, you cant compare this.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8925 Posts
January 16 2024 10:34 GMT
#1159
On January 16 2024 19:23 GTR wrote:
mourinho sacked by roma, wow.

https://www.asroma.com/en/news/70283/jose-mourinho-to-leave-as-roma-with-immediate-effect

i wonder if this would bring any more pressure against ten hag. i think the lack of any possible replacement has protected ten hag for a while but mourinho is high profile enough that the media could make some stories up about. personally if mourinho were to return i wouldnt even be mad
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
January 16 2024 10:43 GMT
#1160
On January 16 2024 19:26 gTank wrote:
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On January 16 2024 19:10 WombaT wrote:
Its problem is inconsistency above all else. If your criteria is consistent excellence as an individual over a whole year? Or is it peaking for the business end of the CL or an international competition? Or is it being an integral part of a team that sweeps all before it?

Pick one! I’ve seen players get it across all three of those criteria and they’re rather different.

Tbh if it was just being the outright best footballer every year, if anything Messi would probably have more of these awards than he does currently.

Also they should just tie it to the season, doing it on an annual basis is just a bit wonky. It’s just easier to mentally assess who had a great season, with its buildup from early days to business end than to consider who had a great year encompassing half of both


Its not quite the whole truth...yes he is a great football player but (no offense) playing in MLS does not prove anything. Meanwhile other candidates had stellar performances in the best leagues and competitions in the world, you cant compare this.

I’m saying historically if ‘who had the best season and is the best footballer?’ as criteria was used, Messi would have more than he does. Ronaldo won one in a season his team didn’t actually win anything, but he was individually incredible.

If you use the same criteria for this recent award, it wouldn’t be Messi. But if the criteria is ‘who grabbed the World Cup by the balls?’ I mean it’s him.

The problem is shifting the criteria continuously, just pick one and stick with it. Cannavaro had an incredible World Cup and won it, he wasn’t out of this world amazing that year at club level. Wesley Sneijder takes Inter to a treble, the Dutch to a World Cup final and doesn’t win it. Modric wins it by taking Croatia to the World Cup final but with a less impressive club season.

Decide what the award is meant to actually be, and run with it. Is it the best footballer, or is it the footballer who achieved the most as part of a unit while providing clutch moments at critical times?

Until these bodies can actually decide, complaining about inconsistency in an inherently inconsistent award seems redundant to me.
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