EPT2023 - 2024 Football Thread - Page 56
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
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gTank
Austria2666 Posts
On December 31 2023 21:53 Hildegard wrote: It's funny that the Saudis fail so hard at being likeable. They waste insane amounts of money to boost their international standing, but fail at the little things and thereby hurt themselves. Most people don't read about human rights issues in Saudi Arabia, but many Turkish people will remember this event for a long time. Alles Gute zum Geburtstag  | ||
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sharkie
Austria18746 Posts
On December 31 2023 21:53 Hildegard wrote: It's funny that the Saudis fail so hard at being likeable. They waste insane amounts of money to boost their international standing, but fail at the little things and thereby hurt themselves. Most people don't read about human rights issues in Saudi Arabia, but many Turkish people will remember this event for a long time. There was a really good kicker.de article today with the Heidenheim and the Freiburg coaches and I think it was the Heidenheim coach who played a pre-season game with a Saudi club and said "one look at their dressing room after the game told me enough (about their culture)". Money can only do so much. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18746 Posts
There are two north London clubs. One is the 3rd biggest club in English history, one has owners who have given the manager MILLIONS of budget and years of patience, one has a great academy and has prolly one of the best central midfielders in the world at the moment. The other club has an Australian as a manager. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Man City have a real chance to have a run again and do Man City things now as Salah is about to depart for the Africa cup of nations now so they will be without there best player and City just got Debruyne fully fit. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
On January 01 2024 01:06 sharkie wrote: So when will you acknowledge I was right about Arteta and Postecoglou? Spurs are ONE point behind Arsenal and they have sooooo many injuries. There are two north London clubs. One is the 3rd biggest club in English history, one has owners who have given the manager MILLIONS of budget and years of patience, one has a great academy and has prolly one of the best central midfielders in the world at the moment. The other club has an Australian as a manager. If we have to acknowledge your hits, we also have to do so with your misses so I’m not sure that’s a ground you want to plough :p I can’t recall what you claimed back in the day anyway in all seriousness. For my money Postecoglu did great jobs previously, and it was a question of whether he could step up that level, and I believe at the time I had a ‘wait and see’ approach. Turns out he’s started rather well, and if the wheels don’t fall off he’s really shown up Mourinho and Conte for the jobs they did with the squads that were very similar, while constantly complaining about their squad. On the other hand Arteta’s done a good job at Arsenal too, and they’ve generally improved year on year under his stewardship. Perhaps Emery could have eventually delivered with similar faith shown from above and from the fan base. But running a treble winning City team ludicrously stacked with talent is no mean feat. It’s just so cutthroat at this level, and there’s so many coaches of top quality and fortunes can wax and wane without a coach being the best ever or a fraud. Howe’s finding it tough after an exceptional year last, even Pep and Klopp have had underwhelming seasons during their tenures. Moyes had Everton perpetually in the top ten, even the top 4 once (and missed out on the CL proper by a terrible ref call against Villarreal iirc). Then some underwhelming spells at times, even including his current club but he got them into Europe and a European trophy too. There’s additional variables too under the hood we don’t really see, such as when coaches and recruitment aren’t aligned, but the coach invariably gets the blame for as the public face. Or sheer misfortune, I.e. a really injury blighted season. TLDR I think they’re both very good coaches, which is a bit boring but hey. P.S. Tommy Tuchs is a fine, fine coach | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
On January 01 2024 02:06 Pandemona wrote: Arsenal in some bad form at the moment, didn't really see that coming, all of a sudden the front 3 just are not scoring. Man City have a real chance to have a run again and do Man City things now as Salah is about to depart for the Africa cup of nations now so they will be without there best player and City just got Debruyne fully fit. The only thing stopping City from doing their usual IMO is winning fatigue and complacency, they’ve climbed the mountain and can they regroup and do it again? Yeah they’ve won a bunch of leagues but by virtue of having a bunch of leagues the CL became the promised land, and they reached it. Few groups can back-to-back, even a small drop off is damn meaningful at this level. Cristiano Ronaldo is so exceptional (and IMO his mentality has negative aspects too) because nothing is ever enough for the guy. The reality is even at the absolute Ballon D’Or contention level there are more Bales, Neymars, Hazards and Ronaldinhos than there are Ronaldos or Messis. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28894 Posts
On January 01 2024 01:06 sharkie wrote: So when will you acknowledge I was right about Arteta and Postecoglou? Spurs are ONE point behind Arsenal and they have sooooo many injuries. There are two north London clubs. One is the 3rd biggest club in English history, one has owners who have given the manager MILLIONS of budget and years of patience, one has a great academy and has prolly one of the best central midfielders in the world at the moment. The other club has an Australian as a manager. Postecoglou is good and from what I see pundits are and have been in total agreement there so hardly a revolutionary statement. But you stated 'I am so pissed at arteta,please get rid of.him' on April 22nd last year. At that point, Arsenal was still in the lead, with 75 points (City had 74), with 6 games to go. To be clear, that means they had 2.34375 points per game at that point. To be even more clear, Arsenal has, throughout the history of the Premier league, exactly one finish with a higher average point per game than what made you recommend getting rid of Arteta - 2.368 during the invincibles season. That was 19 years ago. When Arteta took charge, Arsenal was in 11th place (23 points in 18 games). The 9 seasons before that, they finished: 5th (70), 6th (63), 5th (75), 2nd (71, Leicester season), 3rd, (75), 4th (79), 4th (73), 3rd (70), 4th (68). If you had called for his head before the 22/23 season, that'd be fine. But doing it when you did it - or now, for that matter, does not make you look like a genius. Rather, it discredits the correct calls that you also make! Cause tbh, I feel like you know a lot of players, way more than me, and as long as I add a '-20% because this guy is Japanese' to your statements on players, you tend to get a lot of stuff right. But some of your opinions are also.. really far out there, and opinions on Arteta and Tuchel are def in that group. Keep making confident assertions though, drives conversation forward and it's fun when people put themselves out there! | ||
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sharkie
Austria18746 Posts
On January 01 2024 02:57 RKC wrote: Arsenal MVP Tomiyasu came on at halftime with the game tied 1-1 to save the day... oh wait... He came back from an injury... Also the ones defending Arteta: do you guys realise how much money he has been spending on players? Hes getting everything he wants. Even a new goalkeeper who was definitely not needed and created bad blood in the dressing room with that. And yes, someone said it: Emery could have done at least the same as Arteta if not more! More than half the starting eleven was there before Arteta came. Hes been reaping a lot of efforts from others. Hes not bad, good enough for a mid table to top5 PL place but not good enough to for the title. But hes spending enough to warrant criticism for not winning the PL | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18746 Posts
On January 01 2024 04:21 Liquid`Drone wrote: Postecoglou is good and from what I see pundits are and have been in total agreement there so hardly a revolutionary statement. But you stated 'I am so pissed at arteta,please get rid of.him' on April 22nd last year. At that point, Arsenal was still in the lead, with 75 points (City had 74), with 6 games to go. To be clear, that means they had 2.34375 points per game at that point. To be even more clear, Arsenal has, throughout the history of the Premier league, exactly one finish with a higher average point per game than what made you recommend getting rid of Arteta - 2.368 during the invincibles season. That was 19 years ago. When Arteta took charge, Arsenal was in 11th place (23 points in 18 games). The 9 seasons before that, they finished: 5th (70), 6th (63), 5th (75), 2nd (71, Leicester season), 3rd, (75), 4th (79), 4th (73), 3rd (70), 4th (68). If you had called for his head before the 22/23 season, that'd be fine. But doing it when you did it - or now, for that matter, does not make you look like a genius. Rather, it discredits the correct calls that you also make! Cause tbh, I feel like you know a lot of players, way more than me, and as long as I add a '-20% because this guy is Japanese' to your statements on players, you tend to get a lot of stuff right. But some of your opinions are also.. really far out there, and opinions on Arteta and Tuchel are def in that group. Keep making confident assertions though, drives conversation forward and it's fun when people put themselves out there! Thank you! Because you mentioned Japanese players: look at how Endo has evolved at Liverpool. A month ago everyone was making fun of Liverpool and the Endo signing and then December happened and hes been one of the best players for Klopp. He started FOUR games in 13 days for Liverpool. And he was good in all of them. Klopp will miss him a lot in January | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18746 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland2110 Posts
On January 02 2024 00:15 sharkie wrote: I have read the main reasons Real let go a lot of their stars (Varane, Ramos, Ronaldo, ...) was because they cant afford their wages. I think Real is starting to notice how the Premier league money is affecting them They still seem pretty happy to shelling out 100 million on Hazard occasionally. My guess is that they don't really want a team full of 3x UCL winners with their bellies full and wage demands inflated by the success. It's better to bring in some fresh & motivated talent, both for finances and the long term sporting success. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8925 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4385 Posts
On January 02 2024 02:57 evilfatsh1t wrote: ratcliffe gonna dump rashford and get mbappe. what a hero Neither Mbappe should want to go there, neither Utd should want mbappe. So dont see that one happening. In other news, i still remember D. Jota's transfer being frowned upon but i guess he has been good for liverpool all this time? He seems to have an impact on their effectivness colectively. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4436 Posts
Donny van de Beek has joined Eintracht Frankfurt on loan from Manchester United until the end the season, with the German club paying a minimal fee. The Bundesliga side have an option to buy the midfielder for €11m (£9.5m) plus €3m add-ons in the summer, and will pay the majority of the 26-year-old’s weekly salary of about £120,000 during the loan. Guardian article Eljif Elmas has left Napoli for Leipzig as well, on a perm. RB Leipzig have agreed a deal worth €25million (£21.5m, $27.4m) for Napoli midfielder Eljif Elmas. Elmas, 24, has also agreed personal terms with Leipzig on a contract until the summer of 2028. He is expected to travel and complete the deal ahead of the January transfer window. Elmas played 36 of Napoli’s 38 Serie A matches last season as they ended their 23-year wait to win the title, although he has started just four games across the side’s league and Champions League campaign to date. Athletic article | ||
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sharkie
Austria18746 Posts
On January 02 2024 15:51 KobraKay wrote: Neither Mbappe should want to go there, neither Utd should want mbappe. So dont see that one happening. In other news, i still remember D. Jota's transfer being frowned upon but i guess he has been good for liverpool all this time? He seems to have an impact on their effectivness colectively. I think it was only Pande who was like "Jota from Wolves? He has had crap stats, what a fail" But in fairness he has since admitted he was wrong about him | ||
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