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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
December 24 2023 23:12 GMT
#1061
On December 25 2023 02:40 Pandemona wrote:
Well this is a horrible christmas present

Starting to think Poch doesn't know what he's doing.....


What? And saying sharkie was right about Poch? :0
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 24 2023 23:54 GMT
#1062
Well i never said he was good, when we signed him i said look what he did at PSG and turned Messi into trash, but that isn't to agree with your point in which you say Ange is better than Poch, because he isn't either lol.

But if your point was just Poch is bad, then yes i agree.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
December 26 2023 16:05 GMT
#1063
What has happened with Newcastle btw? I am not following them at all but noticed their Implosion.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51693 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-26 20:30:45
December 26 2023 20:24 GMT
#1064
onana is fucking done. i'm so glad afcon is happening because we are forced to put in bayindir which will be for the best.
this game might end up being the death sentence for eth as well.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 26 2023 20:36 GMT
#1065
Yeh don't think Ten Haag is surviving the year now, looks way out of his depth.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51693 Posts
December 26 2023 20:59 GMT
#1066
On December 27 2023 01:05 sharkie wrote:
What has happened with Newcastle btw? I am not following them at all but noticed their Implosion.


injuries all over the field. they don't have depth and everyone is getting tired.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51693 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-26 22:04:29
December 26 2023 21:43 GMT
#1067
rasmus finally getting a pl goal!!!!
also the second half showing was probably the best in the eth era by far... clearly they got a bollocking at half time. also helped villa played like ass.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
December 27 2023 05:31 GMT
#1068
Anthony Elanga is brilliant, thanks Man United!
RIP Meatloaf <3
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2110 Posts
December 27 2023 10:01 GMT
#1069
On December 27 2023 05:59 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2023 01:05 sharkie wrote:
What has happened with Newcastle btw? I am not following them at all but noticed their Implosion.


injuries all over the field. they don't have depth and everyone is getting tired.

Seems to be a pretty common thing for clubs who are rising in ranks. European football, deeper cup runs and necessity to play for win probably take quite a bit of toll and you'll need way more than a strong starting 11 to run that kind of routine through the season.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-27 10:31:48
December 27 2023 10:31 GMT
#1070
I dont know about ManUtd but Tuchel at Bayern e.g. kept playing the same s11 over and over. In one game he even refused to sub out any player.

I find managers ridicilous who complain about "too many games and the poor players" but then do almost no rotation.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
December 27 2023 12:50 GMT
#1071
On December 27 2023 19:01 Bacillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2023 05:59 GTR wrote:
On December 27 2023 01:05 sharkie wrote:
What has happened with Newcastle btw? I am not following them at all but noticed their Implosion.


injuries all over the field. they don't have depth and everyone is getting tired.

Seems to be a pretty common thing for clubs who are rising in ranks. European football, deeper cup runs and necessity to play for win probably take quite a bit of toll and you'll need way more than a strong starting 11 to run that kind of routine through the season.

Yeah, if you do manage it you need a hell of a lot of luck with injuries and even then fatigue will still likely get you. Plus ideally don’t have one of your statement summer signings get banned for betting.

Newcastle are a good side don’t get me wrong but they do also strike me as as a team that have to play relatively well to take wins, they’re not quite at that level where they can lack intensity and still come through with sheer quality.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
December 27 2023 17:06 GMT
#1072
Agreed with everyone's thoughts. Getting into European football with a team that isn't too familiar is going to naturally cause some headaches in terms of balancing rotations, squad depth, and which competition you focus on more. Look at Brighton, who this season are struggling a bit compared to last. Same with Newcastle. Injuries mount, and they don't have the depth necessary to keep their head above water. Compare this to Arsenal, Liverpool, and City, the teams that do have the depth and can absorb injuries relatively well, unless they get incredibly unlucky with the amount at one time.

I'm sure Newcastle will bounce back now that they're out of UCL and Carabao, their players will be less likely to pick up injuries.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
December 28 2023 04:54 GMT
#1073
So over PGMOL and VAR at this point. City continuously get every favorable call possible while every other team get shafted. I don't get it. Is it seriously every team in the Prem vs City + Refs? What is happening with all of these calls? You can't seriously tell me that the Everton handball was more of a handball than Odegaard playing basketball against Liverpool. And the same idiot on VAR for the Liverpool game that didn't call the handball called it today as the primary official. Fuck all of this.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
December 28 2023 06:34 GMT
#1074
Obv city are favoured.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-28 14:20:37
December 28 2023 14:18 GMT
#1075
Not sure what's the fuss about the penalty that Everton conceded. If a defending player throw himself to the ground in the penalty box to block a goal-bound shot, there's always a risk of handling the ball and conceding a penalty. That's just football. Hard luck, but the defending team only has itself to blame for allowing the attackers to get into such a dangerous position in the box. Same goes for wicked deflections. Last ditch tackles to block shots is not great defending. As a defensive player myself, I have no sympathy when defenders botch up badly.

Still, definitely agree that referees should be consistent in penalty calls.
gg no re thx
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2110 Posts
December 28 2023 18:37 GMT
#1076
The big issue is consistency. I honestly have no clue on how the handballs are currently judged, whether the same rules apply to PL, UCL and La Liga and what's the though process when they make a less than obvious call. In general I think there should be a somewhat humanly achievable "textbook way" to block shots in various situations where your hand are considered in natural position.

It's still a human game and I don't think we'll ever get rid of the whole gray area (or necessarily even should try), but I don't think the current situation is particularly consistent, transparent or well communicated.
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4385 Posts
December 28 2023 20:48 GMT
#1077
The fact that this particular rule is changed all the time does not help at all, as spectators dont keep up and then get frustrated when they dont understand. Also that FIFA recommendations for rule interpretation are not read the same way in every league.

I got stuck on the time where it was penalty if you were increasing the volume of your body with the arms. That made perfect sense, avoided the kick into the defenders to get a whistle and it was simple.

No deflection BS like it is in force these days.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 28 2023 22:13 GMT
#1078
Arsenal lose, but also Spurs lost as well.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-29 03:52:01
December 29 2023 03:49 GMT
#1079
The most natural position to block shots is turning your back towards the attacker and ball. This minimises the risk of the ball smashing against your hands, and more importantly, your face and crotch. However, by turning away, this allows the attacker to feint a shot and dribble pass you to get a closer or better shot at goal. Bravely standing tall and facing the ball head-on is also a viable move, but this carries the risk of handball or being temporarily disabled by the pain of being smashed in the face or crotch. Pros and cons for either move. That's football.

I believe there's some cultural difference in football philosophy and rules. British football tends to prize the Braveheart defending approach - body checks, shoving during corners, desperate last minute tackles, etc. Being tolerant to all these physical moves means the referee having more discretion and thus more likely to make mistakes. Personally, I favour a less physically robust type of football and a stricter zero tolerance policy against all these defensive off-the-ball manoeuvres. Aside from minimising referreeing mistakes, it should make football more skill-based, free-flowing, and beautiful to watch. But that's just my view growing up playing in a joga bonito footballing culture.
gg no re thx
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
December 29 2023 05:42 GMT
#1080
On December 28 2023 23:18 RKC wrote:
Not sure what's the fuss about the penalty that Everton conceded. If a defending player throw himself to the ground in the penalty box to block a goal-bound shot, there's always a risk of handling the ball and conceding a penalty. That's just football. Hard luck, but the defending team only has itself to blame for allowing the attackers to get into such a dangerous position in the box. Same goes for wicked deflections. Last ditch tackles to block shots is not great defending. As a defensive player myself, I have no sympathy when defenders botch up badly.

Still, definitely agree that referees should be consistent in penalty calls.

I don't particularly mind that the handball is called if viewed from the letter of the rules. BUT MAKE IT CONSISTENT. There were like 5 other instances this season of the exact same action, and half are called, half aren't. Then one team who sees the call benefit them multiple times (City) and it's obvious why people are upset and it looks like favoritism/corruption.


In other news, WERE TOP OF THE TABLE!!!!! Time to wait for City to win out from here... Losing Salah is gonna be rough, but getting Jota back was so crucial. Arsenal away and City at home are now at minimum, must draws. Cannot afford to lose to them. I have confidence in the rest of the matches.
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