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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-22 16:17:32
December 22 2023 16:16 GMT
#1041
I actually agree with Vinekh there.

Do I like the super league? No.
Do I think this will destroy football? Hell no, football is way bigger than that.

Let the super league go live, let the big clubs go there. In the end we will know what is more popular and brings in more money (fandom).

The Saudi money hasnt done any damage to football this year. Even better we have one of the most exciting years of football ever. Almost every big national league is open and we dont know who will win the leagues for sure
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
December 22 2023 16:31 GMT
#1042
On December 22 2023 05:01 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2023 04:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
Liverpool finally playing the way I think they need to. Playing with more width and generating much higher quality chances this game. Granted, West Ham were awful, but with Gomez starting over Trent, and also Elliott and Jones who are both not afraid to play super wide, we made the pitch big and had tons of space to operate in. I hope that Szobo/Salah can recreate that this weekend.


I will never understand teams who could go wide force their fullbacks to go towards the center.

Well there's definitely a balance to be struck. Trent inverting in the new Liverpool system (or fullbacks in general) are doing so to counter the box mid/4 in midfield strategy that the top teams seem to employ (Man City in particular). While it offers more central creativity with options to go on either side of the pitch, keeping width is still important in terms of breaking down a low block, which when Trent inverted, was not happening against United. Gomez keeping the width as a traditional fullback (and Elliott and Jones both being excellent at stepping out wide) are what allowed Liverpool so many attacking options going against West Ham. The problem is that Trent/Szobo/Salah all sort of want to occupy the same space in that right half-space, and in doing so there's no one that drifts out wider. It should be Szobo imo, with Trent moving up, Szobo drifts wide to knock a cross in or play some 2 man game with Salah. Instead, they all congest each other and suffocate themselves out of space, where Trent then is forced to either recycle or knock a pass into the box.

Against more aggressive pressing sides like Arsenal this Saturday, I fully expect the inversion to happen often and won't hurt us as much as there will be more space from an aggressive pressing side.
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Locutus_
Profile Joined August 2023
Brazil65 Posts
December 22 2023 18:24 GMT
#1043
Pity Fluminense took the early goal... Its playing pretty head to head against City
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
December 22 2023 18:26 GMT
#1044
Fluminense GK Fabio really has neat footwork and a cool head to dribble ball in the box while surrounded by City attackers. Quite cool to watch! But Flum has to be careful playing with fire from the back. City's goal came from a careless clearance by Marcelo.
gg no re thx
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 22 2023 19:51 GMT
#1045
Now if Man City can get back on their feet in the EPL cause they have literally collapsed.

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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
December 22 2023 19:57 GMT
#1046
Great game, both teams all out to play football, lots of intriguing one-on-one duels, scoreline didn't really tell the full story, City just was more clinical in the final third.
gg no re thx
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 22 2023 20:28 GMT
#1047
Waste of money...

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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
December 23 2023 00:35 GMT
#1048
On December 23 2023 01:13 Vinekh wrote:
It will add competition. That is always nice. UEFA won't fall over and die - it will still exist. Some teams will just not play in the CL, but in the super league competition. I can't see harm in that. In the end whoever creates the best product will "win" the audience.
Somehow we are supposed to believe that, because some teams decided to create their own competition outside of UEFA, football will stop to exists or something like that.
For me, this really looks like a narrative, that is pushed by UEFA.

Football means something to a hell a lot of people, well beyond being a means of entertainment. You have cultural institutions over a century old, that in some way reflect local pride.

Ideally the competitive gaps should be smaller than they are, but fuck a super league.

It’s a horrendous idea that concludes the solution to the increasing competitive imbalance that many of us bemoan is to say ‘fuck it let’s just splinter off the elite entirely’

Zero interest in such a prospect personally
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
December 23 2023 10:09 GMT
#1049
On December 23 2023 04:57 RKC wrote:
Great game, both teams all out to play football, lots of intriguing one-on-one duels, scoreline didn't really tell the full story, City just was more clinical in the final third.


Wdym? This was as one sided as one could get, starting from minute 2 till the end of the match. City as a team structurally on a very different level. I have doubts Flu would have easy time not relegating from EPL regular season to Championship in comparison, especially remembering how many aged players they got in a roster
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 23 2023 18:30 GMT
#1050
No idea how odegaard handball isn't a penalty, regardless if he slips or not, he literally fell onto the ball with his hand and stopped it. If you slip over and tackle someone, you don't get "oh well he slipped and accident, no foul" its still a foul, so no idea how that not given.

Also the tv replay of Arsenal goal looked offside and lines said he onside, didn't get that one either.

Entertaining game though i guess!
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51693 Posts
December 23 2023 21:22 GMT
#1051
ten hag's arrogance in continuing to start mctominay in the midfield is going to break the straw for me in terms of my patience for him.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
December 23 2023 21:47 GMT
#1052
On December 24 2023 03:30 Pandemona wrote:
No idea how odegaard handball isn't a penalty, regardless if he slips or not, he literally fell onto the ball with his hand and stopped it. If you slip over and tackle someone, you don't get "oh well he slipped and accident, no foul" its still a foul, so no idea how that not given.

Also the tv replay of Arsenal goal looked offside and lines said he onside, didn't get that one either.

Entertaining game though i guess!

Dude was playing basketball with that handball. Incredible that VAR called it as a natural position because he was "falling" and even then, they could've returned to the penalty if called when we had a penalty called on Quansah like 2 minutes after the incident.

The goal was barely on I think. Gakpo's knee played him on. It was super close but Arsenal deserved a goal nonetheless.

Trent's open goal was so tragic. The ball just barely hits something and bobbles up, but he should still easily slot it in. We definitely should've won and looked like the better side for most of the game, but they're a team that's been title contenders and we're still rebuilding, so I'm very happy with the game overall.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 23 2023 23:27 GMT
#1053
Man City have collapsed, Barca have collapsed. The only ones that are consistent are Man Utd and that is sucking, it would be breaking news if they accidently scored a goal.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28894 Posts
December 24 2023 01:32 GMT
#1054
If City wins their delayed match they're 3 points behind arsenal. I have a bit of a hard time picturing Barcelona winning La Liga this season (not because they're 7 points behind, but because Real have looked better), but City still the bookie favorite for PL.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4436 Posts
December 24 2023 03:38 GMT
#1055
The best player in the world is due to finally return from his hamstring injury soon. Watch City win 10+ straight when he does
Sucker for nostalgia
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
December 24 2023 03:56 GMT
#1056
City will do their thing where they click and win like 16 on the trot. I mean I hope they don’t but it’s kind of their jam
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
December 24 2023 04:43 GMT
#1057
On December 24 2023 12:38 DropBear wrote:
The best player in the world is due to finally return from his hamstring injury soon. Watch City win 10+ straight when he does

idk if kdb is the best player in the world. rodri is more important to city's system imo. when rodri doesnt play, man city looks lost. for sure he'll boost their offensive capabilities, but against mid to low table teams, man city have more than enough fire power to beat them with or without kdb.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 24 2023 17:40 GMT
#1058
Well this is a horrible christmas present

Starting to think Poch doesn't know what he's doing.....
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-24 20:43:21
December 24 2023 19:52 GMT
#1059
He bought a minority stake... so that would mean the Glazers still control a majority portion of the Club. So why would he be issuing such a statement? Are the Glazers that cash strapped, cause I'd imagine they all know what is needed?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 24 2023 22:30 GMT
#1060
The rumour is, his 25% stake lets him control the footballing side of the club. His investment is for the stadium/team and the Glazers 75% is for controlling the commercial product, that is how it is being reported at least.

I can see him getting 50% in the next 2-3 years though
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