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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
January 02 2024 17:34 GMT
#1121
Endo and Salah out for Liverpool now, I wonder how the front 3 is going to operate for Klopp. Do we slide Jota in as a RW or move Nunez there and put Jota through the middle? Or perhaps even give Elliott some time at RW...

Szobo hammy injury, thank god we don't have a PL game for 3 weeks... hope it's just a minor thing like Gravenberch's injury.

Team looks great, just needs better finishing. Gonna be tough with Salah gone.
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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
January 04 2024 15:15 GMT
#1122
I suppose Nunez left with Elliott as backup and Gakpo/Jota through the middle. Liverpool need to do some business in the winter transfer window tho, we are 1 or 2 injuries away from disaster.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
January 04 2024 20:39 GMT
#1123
The predicament with getting new players in the winter transfer is: when we get our players back from the international break/injury, how will you satisfy every player with playing time? I don't think we need another frontline player, Elliott/Szobo/Jota can all slide in.

Midfield we could hunt for another 6, but then we'd already be very stacked when Endo returns with Endo/Macca/Thiago/Bajcetic. Adding a 5th player there seems excessive. Our current starting midfield would be Macca/Jones/Szobo, who would you move to give more playing time?

For defenders, I do agree with signing another CB, preferably a right footed CB. As it stands, we have VVD/Konate as our starters, with Quansah on the bench. But if we re-sign Matip to a one year deal, he'd have to understand his playing time will be cut for the new arrival.

Ultimately, the next set if of fixtures, outside of Arsenal away, all seem like games we can win without any additional transfers, and end of January is when we see a bunch of players hopefully returning (Robbo, Thiago)
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4385 Posts
January 04 2024 20:59 GMT
#1124
What about Luis Diaz?
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
January 05 2024 10:18 GMT
#1125
Was there ever a manager who needed to rebuild his complete midfield in one year and was as successful as klopp has been so far?
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
January 05 2024 16:23 GMT
#1126
On January 05 2024 05:59 KobraKay wrote:
What about Luis Diaz?

Diaz seems more like a strictly LW player, whereas Gakpo and Jota can likely move in as the false 9 and play more centrally. Nunez could actually fit well on the right wing, he's had a lot of assists coming from the right (and also scored his two goals against Newcastle from the right side as well). I'd actually be willing to see a Diaz, Gakpo, Nunez frontline. I don't like Gakpo on the wing particularly because he doesn't track back enough. The problem is his hold up play is not as good as Nunez, which is something you want in your 9. It's all kinds of weird right now.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
January 05 2024 16:52 GMT
#1127
On January 05 2024 19:18 sharkie wrote:
Was there ever a manager who needed to rebuild his complete midfield in one year and was as successful as klopp has been so far?

I’m sure there are plenty of examples but I can’t think of many off-hand, it gets hard to remember transfer windows as opposed to complete teams the longer you follow the game!

Very impressive so far, I think Liverpool will probably just have enough gas in the tank to pull through injuries and Salah’s absence to at least stay in contention when they’re back to full strength

I suppose it’s maybe so obvious people aren’t mentioning it, but it’s been a pretty damn fascinating first half to the Prem. Liverpool and City haven’t hit their high 90s points peak and pulled away, Villa are punching above their usual weight and the likes of Spurs and Arsenal are still in the mix too
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
January 05 2024 17:00 GMT
#1128
On January 06 2024 01:23 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2024 05:59 KobraKay wrote:
What about Luis Diaz?

Diaz seems more like a strictly LW player, whereas Gakpo and Jota can likely move in as the false 9 and play more centrally. Nunez could actually fit well on the right wing, he's had a lot of assists coming from the right (and also scored his two goals against Newcastle from the right side as well). I'd actually be willing to see a Diaz, Gakpo, Nunez frontline. I don't like Gakpo on the wing particularly because he doesn't track back enough. The problem is his hold up play is not as good as Nunez, which is something you want in your 9. It's all kinds of weird right now.

It’s nice to have options!

I think Jota is maybe their most intelligent forward, probably their best finisher outside of Salah. May actually be more clinical but he can’t beat a man as easily

Nunez is the man for stretching the play and holding the ball up, a bit erratic but dangerous.

Diaz is probably the best currently fit at playing wide, beating a man and more traditional wing play. Gakpo for me is kind of decent in quite a lot of areas, but doesn’t beat any of Liverpool’s forwards on their respective strengths, if that makes sense.

For my money if they go with Diaz/Nunez/Jota, where Darwin provides a traditional number 9 focal point, but he and Jota sometimes rotate centrally/out wide that could work nicely.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
January 05 2024 17:54 GMT
#1129
On January 06 2024 02:00 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2024 01:23 FlaShFTW wrote:
On January 05 2024 05:59 KobraKay wrote:
What about Luis Diaz?

Diaz seems more like a strictly LW player, whereas Gakpo and Jota can likely move in as the false 9 and play more centrally. Nunez could actually fit well on the right wing, he's had a lot of assists coming from the right (and also scored his two goals against Newcastle from the right side as well). I'd actually be willing to see a Diaz, Gakpo, Nunez frontline. I don't like Gakpo on the wing particularly because he doesn't track back enough. The problem is his hold up play is not as good as Nunez, which is something you want in your 9. It's all kinds of weird right now.

It’s nice to have options!

I think Jota is maybe their most intelligent forward, probably their best finisher outside of Salah. May actually be more clinical but he can’t beat a man as easily

Nunez is the man for stretching the play and holding the ball up, a bit erratic but dangerous.

Diaz is probably the best currently fit at playing wide, beating a man and more traditional wing play. Gakpo for me is kind of decent in quite a lot of areas, but doesn’t beat any of Liverpool’s forwards on their respective strengths, if that makes sense.

For my money if they go with Diaz/Nunez/Jota, where Darwin provides a traditional number 9 focal point, but he and Jota sometimes rotate centrally/out wide that could work nicely.

Agree on Gakpo. He's a great all around player that is a plug and play in any formation, but when we want to operate at our best, we need our specialists up front.

I think the combination of Nunez/Jota up front will be good for us while Salah is out. Nunez creates so many chances, and Jota is our most clinical finisher outside Salah so while we're going to struggle against Arsenal away, I think we should be ok elsewhere to make up for Salah while he's gone.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
January 06 2024 13:30 GMT
#1130
So I know I keep hyping up Japanese players but please just take a short look at this article from TheAnalyst: https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/01/wataru-endo-liverpool-most-important-players/

This shows how much better Endo is making Liverpool and what a great player he is. In a world where teams keep crying about holding sixes (Bayern with Tuchel) Endo was totally overlooked by almost every club in the world. And he was able to fit into the Premier League within a few months. He started FIVE games within 13 days and he was good/great in all of them.

Please give some props to the Japanese captain.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
January 06 2024 23:07 GMT
#1131
On January 06 2024 22:30 sharkie wrote:
So I know I keep hyping up Japanese players but please just take a short look at this article from TheAnalyst: https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/01/wataru-endo-liverpool-most-important-players/

This shows how much better Endo is making Liverpool and what a great player he is. In a world where teams keep crying about holding sixes (Bayern with Tuchel) Endo was totally overlooked by almost every club in the world. And he was able to fit into the Premier League within a few months. He started FIVE games within 13 days and he was good/great in all of them.

Please give some props to the Japanese captain.

I’m extremely reluctant to given your constant overhyping of Japanese players and your dissing of my boy Tommy Tuchs :p

But no, fair play the Japan captain who was a consistently high performer in the Bundesliga, and for a modest price was always going to be a decent squad acquisition. I didn’t really understand the complaints. I think what I, and many others weren’t necessarily expecting was him forcing his way in and potentially being the first choice in Liverpool’s midfield 3 and giving them their best balance.

I’ve been in night shift hell recently so haven’t been following the wider game as much as I’d like, but I have heard he’s been doing well and your linked article lays out some of the numbers.

In fairness to Tuchel he had his 6, a player I was mystified more weren’t in for, and that collapsed, I’d be moaning too!

There aren’t THAT many top 6s around, especially not for cheap. Gone are the days 6s were unglamorous and consummately undervalued. Recruitment has to do a fine job to sniff out a bargain and Liverpool’s appear to have pulled it off here
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-07 11:35:22
January 07 2024 11:33 GMT
#1132
Gakpo transfer was rather rushed and reactionary. A player that a top scout, assistant coach or some Moneyball data analyst really fancied, and the price came at a bargain not to be missed. He'll fit in as a second fiddle or reliable backup at the level of Heskey, Diouf, Cisse, Origi, etc. Right now, his peak doesn't seem as high as Nunez or Jota.
gg no re thx
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7406 Posts
January 08 2024 14:35 GMT
#1133
As long as City doesn't win this season I'm fine with either Liverpool or Arsenal. Though I'm really hoping Arsenal will pull through for a change
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 08 2024 19:30 GMT
#1134
Arsenal looking like they gonna struggle for top 4 with the form at the moment. 1 Win in last 7 games. Chelsea form that
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
January 08 2024 19:45 GMT
#1135
On January 09 2024 04:30 Pandemona wrote:
Arsenal looking like they gonna struggle for top 4 with the form at the moment. 1 Win in last 7 games. Chelsea form that


well we are playing Havertz as striker - does that sound familiar to you? lol
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 08 2024 20:17 GMT
#1136
That is through Arteta's choice though, can't feel sorry like they have 100 injuries, Jesus and Nektiah on the bench, Arteta doing bad things lately.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27377 Posts
January 09 2024 00:49 GMT
#1137
Havertz may the the greatest bad player, or the worst good player I’ve ever seen. I can totally understand why Arteta backed himself to unlock that undoubted potential but it just hasn’t come off yet
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
January 09 2024 06:45 GMT
#1138
If havertz had cost 30mil sure yes I agree. But with the price he came Arteta totally screwed up
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4436 Posts
January 09 2024 08:28 GMT
#1139
Still wonder how Havertz would have turned out if he never left Neverkusen. He wouldn't have that champions league winning goal but i suspect he would have more goals overall
Sucker for nostalgia
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7406 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-09 10:53:12
January 09 2024 10:48 GMT
#1140
On January 09 2024 15:45 sharkie wrote:
If havertz had cost 30mil sure yes I agree. But with the price he came Arteta totally screwed up


He will never be as big as a fail as Antony though

EDIT: Havertz is Arsenals third best goalscorer in PL
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
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