EPT2023 - 2024 Football Thread - Page 19
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sharkie
Austria18413 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8657 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
On September 12 2023 15:58 evilfatsh1t wrote: why would he take steroids just to party? thats stupid Right? What's wrong with taking cocaine like the rest of us? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
On September 11 2023 04:00 Mafe wrote: It has a nostalgic feeling for sure, that's why I'm positive towards it. He and Klinsmann were some of my childhood football heroes even before they got involved in coaching the national team. But more objectively I conjecture that also some of the players the tow of them coached grew up watching them and therefore had instant respect for them. 20 years on, this is longer the case. Afaik Völler has no real coaching experience since. I dont think he is a viable solution, but if for whatever reason the result change now, they might just stick with him anyway and the I'd also be okay with that. Anyway I havent read much more yet, and it seems he is intende to only take an interim role. I'm kinda hoping Magath will be the choice. He's playing a farely standard game and every player who isn't delivering what is expected has to run a bunch of extra laps. There will be no mouthing off with Magath on the sidelines. Nagelsmann would be more a long term choice after the Euros for the next couple of years. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25406 Posts
On September 12 2023 13:55 evilfatsh1t wrote: my thought was the former. hes had so many muscle related injuries that it wouldnt surprise me if he tried something spectacular to get back into fitness I mean it’s not like Juventus have a certain reputation in this regard for ‘cutting edge’ training methods. I’ve a little sympathy for Pogba if he did do this, not excusing it of course. Especially given the rather unfortunately timed rather open interview of his that dropped a day before where he said he’d considered quitting the game entirely. I mean he’s shit on relentlessly not just on socials, but legacy media for often the most spurious of reasons such as ‘he likes outlandish haircuts’. For years Juventus is a new shot to show he’s that Rolls-Royce of a player that he’s showed glimpses of, and more consistently was in his first spell at Juve. And he was just perpetually injured almost since he was through the door. Of course a degree of sympathy on a human level does not equate to excusing it, and we are of course! If he is indeed guilty of this it wouldn’t surprise me if his real fuckup was doing this on his own. I mean not procuring and administering such substances by himself, but paying his own guys for it. I actually personally think doping is way more prevalent in top level European football than is plausible given how much money is in it, the kind of collective numbers teams are putting in athletically etc compared to 15/20 years ago. Just in general across the board, sneaky jesting gig at Juventus aside, which would probably be more fun if we had more Juve fans here. The money floating around dwarfs most other sporting activities around, and yet football almost never returns doping test failures. Something doesn’t quite add up there | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
Basically I think on an individual level doping doesn't make much sense for football players. Far too much to lose compared to what they have to gain. On the other hand I can absolutely believe that there are some other teams than 90s juventus that have pulled off systematic doping. Especially in terms of faster restitution. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8657 Posts
On September 12 2023 20:00 WombaT wrote: I mean it’s not like Juventus have a certain reputation in this regard for ‘cutting edge’ training methods. I’ve a little sympathy for Pogba if he did do this, not excusing it of course. Especially given the rather unfortunately timed rather open interview of his that dropped a day before where he said he’d considered quitting the game entirely. I mean he’s shit on relentlessly not just on socials, but legacy media for often the most spurious of reasons such as ‘he likes outlandish haircuts’. For years Juventus is a new shot to show he’s that Rolls-Royce of a player that he’s showed glimpses of, and more consistently was in his first spell at Juve. And he was just perpetually injured almost since he was through the door. Of course a degree of sympathy on a human level does not equate to excusing it, and we are of course! If he is indeed guilty of this it wouldn’t surprise me if his real fuckup was doing this on his own. I mean not procuring and administering such substances by himself, but paying his own guys for it. I actually personally think doping is way more prevalent in top level European football than is plausible given how much money is in it, the kind of collective numbers teams are putting in athletically etc compared to 15/20 years ago. Just in general across the board, sneaky jesting gig at Juventus aside, which would probably be more fun if we had more Juve fans here. The money floating around dwarfs most other sporting activities around, and yet football almost never returns doping test failures. Something doesn’t quite add up there yeah ive got a bit of sympathy too for pogba. i thought he would flop and i was hoping he would, but whats happened to him is just sad. i wanted him to suck on the pitch but hes barely had a full game since he joined juve | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25406 Posts
On September 13 2023 01:38 Liquid`Drone wrote: That kinda adds up, in a way. You make stupid money being top 300 in the world in football, and even though you need to be in great physical shape, that is by no means sufficient, you gotta have fantastic skills to boot. No amount of doping makes you Ronaldinho. Whereas if you are involved in some endurance sport and you are top 15, you might hardly be making much at all, yet doping might push you up towards stupid money. Basically I think on an individual level doping doesn't make much sense for football players. Far too much to lose compared to what they have to gain. On the other hand I can absolutely believe that there are some other teams than 90s juventus that have pulled off systematic doping. Especially in terms of faster restitution. True although I feel football fans, while correct that you can’t deliver talent in a syringe, are a bit naive as to what could be accomplished with some doping. You couldn’t bottle the hand eye coordination to be a top class baseball hitter, but you sure as fuck could increase the distance you were hitting, and the sport was rampant with steroids. It’s not really a sport for the Ronaldinho’s of the world, it wasn’t even when he was playing the era of the god given maverick talent was ending, and he only got really dominated world football for a few years. His contemporary Kaka was finished as the Kaka we saw (and I loved despite his Milan association) after injury took his turn of pace away, despite a world record transfer. I agree 100% that players aren’t taking it upon themselves to potentially do this, I believe Pogba got caught precisely because he did do that. I just highly doubt that clubs are throwing down 50+ million on acquiring a contract, paying out the arse in wages and aren’t tempted to protect those investments via organised, regimented doping. It’s just called ‘sports science’ nowadays. Not that plenty of that field isn’t totally legitimate either! I vaguely recall Klopp’s Liverpool having to field some awkward questions on a rather high incidence of anti-asthma treatments being doled out. Nothing illegal but hardly within the spirit of things to administer medically needless treatments. And the pessimist in me says that’s barely scratching the surface of it. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2272 Posts
Bolivia vs Argentina (they play at La Paz, argentina tends to fuck up constantly in La Paz) Ecuador vs Uruguay (great game, must watch imo) Venezuela vs Paraguay Chile vs Colombia (good game, watch if u have time) Brazil vs Perú (good game, perú at home is strong and Brazil is Brazil) | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Surely....i can't start to believe? https://dubz.co/c/042d68 | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2272 Posts
On September 13 2023 05:34 Pandemona wrote: Jude Bellingham, the best player in the world right now and has all the potential to be the best for a long time. What a fantastic player. Surely....i can't start to believe? https://dubz.co/c/042d68 remindsme of Riquelme. We don't see that kind of players anymore, fuck Wingers, give me more #10. as we say in latam: "La pelota siempre al #10" | ||
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gTank
Austria2567 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25406 Posts
On September 13 2023 05:52 XenOsky wrote: remindsme of Riquelme. We don't see that kind of players anymore, fuck Wingers, give me more #10. as we say in latam: "La pelota siempre al #10" https://youtu.be/soYkzJVAgBA?feature=shared Jude Bellingham shares about as much stylistically in common with Riquelme as sOs shares with Maru in SC2 The former is fantastic, the latter is a player so beloved of yours truly that I paid for a 2 hour highlight DVD someone made in the olden days before Youtube really caught on. Bellingham is a technically gifted, but also extremely physically gifted player. Riquelme was supremely technically gifted and elegant with it, physicality not so much. Much as I hate to admit it England are looking pretty scary if they find the right balance moving forwards. Bellingham could be this generation’s outstanding midfielder and Phil Foden if they can harness him properly is unbelievably good. Quality all round the shop and Harry Kane has a few years ahead of him, injury permitting. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2272 Posts
On September 13 2023 07:06 WombaT wrote: Jude Bellingham shares about as much stylistically in common with Riquelme as sOs shares with Maru in SC2 The former is fantastic, the latter is a player so beloved of yours truly that I paid for a 2 hour highlight DVD someone made in the olden days before Youtube really caught on. Bellingham is a technically gifted, but also extremely physically gifted player. Riquelme was supremely technically gifted and elegant with it, physicality not so much. Much as I hate to admit it England are looking pretty scary if they find the right balance moving forwards. Bellingham could be this generation’s outstanding midfielder and Phil Foden if they can harness him properly is unbelievably good. Quality all round the shop and Harry Kane has a few years ahead of him, injury permitting. tbh i dont give 2 fucks about european futbol, but after watching that England goal, i was inmediatly thinking of riquelme. i havent really watched Bellingham play at all, i don't really follow the PL (i just watch some Forest games from time to time) or La Liga, so im kinda ignorant when it comes to EU players... On the otherhand i fell in love with Riquelme when i was 11 years old and Boca won vs Madrid in Japan, insta Riquelme fan after that game. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25406 Posts
On September 13 2023 08:13 XenOsky wrote: tbh i dont give 2 fucks about european futbol, but after watching that England goal, i was inmediatly thinking of riquelme. i havent really watched Bellingham play at all, i don't really follow the PL (i just watch some Forest games from time to time) or La Liga, so im kinda ignorant when it comes to EU players... On the otherhand i fell in love with Riquelme when i was 11 years old and Boca won vs Madrid in Japan, insta Riquelme fan after that game. I may be unnecessarily touchy on all things Riquelme :p Great game, somewhat sad at the same time. Really marks the end of the time where Europe versus South American clashes were those of equals. Sure South American champions have won since but it’s always been a smash and grab, a heroic rearguard action. They’ve not been able to triumph with beauty really since. A great shame for such a talent hotbed, and purely down to the modern economics of the game. I hate Saudi Arabia’s current encroachment for a fuckton of reasons, but in a pure talent drain sense it’s incredibly rich of European football fans to be complaining. How is Jorge Valdivia perceived over in Chile? As a random aside, used to love watching him play. A little infuriating at times, as my all-time favourite Alvaro Recoba was but in full flow he was lovey to watch. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18413 Posts
On September 13 2023 05:34 Pandemona wrote: Jude Bellingham, the best player in the world right now and has all the potential to be the best for a long time. What a fantastic player. Surely....i can't start to believe? https://dubz.co/c/042d68 Hes so good...  I am scared | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
On September 13 2023 05:57 gTank wrote: Bellingham is such a great player. Also lol @france :D Thanks for making Germany stronk again. Yeah that was nice  although Mbappe didn't play. For around 20-25min in the first half, Germany actually looked like a decent team again | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
Ødegaard seems to be trying to get Arsenal to grab him, but I hear Chelsea are also interested. Gotta say I hope he goes for Arsenal, if the rumors are true. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18413 Posts
On September 13 2023 20:50 Liquid`Drone wrote: This national team break has established another Norwegian youngster. Also showed that we have issues defensively, but Antonio Nusa is a name to familiarize yourselves with. 18 years old, plays in belgium now, but targeted by a couple top PL teams. Extremely promising player, pacy winger who can dribble guys. 3 assists and 1 goal from his first two games for Norway. He also comes off as really humble, yet hungry, so his development should be great. Ødegaard seems to be trying to get Arsenal to grab him, but I hear Chelsea are also interested. Gotta say I hope he goes for Arsenal, if the rumors are true. I think Arsenal is the worst team to be a winger for. Both their wings are extremely young and will play for many more years. At Chelsea he would get playtime at least if hes good | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
Maybe the best for him would be to go for a mid-tier club, or even wait a couple years with PL, like Haaland did. | ||
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