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United States10393 Posts
On June 26 2024 20:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 20:34 WombaT wrote:On June 26 2024 17:20 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2024 17:16 sharkie wrote:
No. The team is "clown"... England has a sick golden generation and doing nothing with it England has had 5 golden generations in the last 5 generations. We never seem to have team without glaring weaknesses. There's good attacking talent in this squad but the midfield and defence are sorely lacking in balance. Southgate has become a weakness too. It seems to me he's just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks this time. The midfield is a tricky one, both Mainoo and Wharton feel like they could bring that balance, albeit they’re slightly different players but it’s possibly a year or two too early for them. Or at least it’s a risk to make them fundamental components. Nor do they have some wily veteran with the characteristics you’d want to balance the midfield that you can bring in for one last hurrah On the flipside, Rice and Bellingham are top notch in their positions, you don’t really need another top notch player, just somebody good that complements them and frees them to play to their strengths. But aye, one is getting that impression that Southgate is somewhat trial and erroring it. At previous tournaments you could still point out limitations in players/coach, but you could sorta identity the overall plan. This time around you’ve perhaps got more talent to play with, but the plan is difficult to discern. Its the passing that gets me. We have all these quality players who play for top sides but the passing is so weak. That's got to be a midfield problem surely. We just don't seem to ever be able to pick out that decisive pass through the lines. Trippier is the worst for this. The guy just can't ever see a pass, so he ends up going back to the CBs 99% of the time. Its so boring.
The passing is for sure horrendous. I'm so tired of seeing Kane run back to his CBs from a striker position only for his first touch to basically put the ball halfway between him and the passing player where he has to try extra hard to make sure the opponent doesn't scoop the ball up. Same goes for the fullbacks who feel invisible.
On June 26 2024 17:10 MJG wrote:
Only in England could the national team win their group without losing a game, whilst only conceding a single goal from a 25-yard strike, and still have the majority of "fans" calling for the manager to be sacked mid-tournament. The team would probably play with a lot more confidence if they weren't getting booed for winning their group. Slovenia beat Portugal coming into the tournament. They're not pushovers.
Clown "fans" and clown media.
A team with this much firepower needs to do something with the firepower. They've had a total of 29 shots so far. 5/12/12. That's some horrendous offense from a team with Kane, Foden, Palmer, Saka, Bellingham. There's no way you watch these games and think "yeah, this team is good enough to win the Euros or WC." And it's the same issue time and time again that doesn't get looked at or fixed. That's why the fans want Southgate sacked, because he simply isn't changing anything. He's not addressing the issues. He "experimented" with a single do-nothing change of Gallagher for Trent, who got fucking pulled anyways for Mainoo at halftime. Then, when he finally brings Trent back on for all of about 10 minutes at the end and Gordon for 5, the team actually looked cohesive and attacking.
But by all means MJG, if you're just going to be satisfied with picking up 0-0 or 1-1 draws all the time with this team on paper, then feel free to be satisfied.
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Ok Belgium is way more disappointing than England, I will take most criticism back and put it on them!
Edit: haha Belgium getting booed by their own fans, deserved too!
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Shithoused our way to 1st place again just like in qualifiers, lmao
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Northern Ireland26763 Posts
Man Ukraine started to play their way into this tournament, but alas too late to make it out. Your lad Sudakov looks a bloody talented fellow!
It can’t just be me who really doesn’t like aspects of 24 into 16 and how some of the 3rd place sides make it through. Aside from wonkiness like some 3rd place teams progressing ahead of 4th place teams who outperformed them in other groups, you have the additional problem where groups played earlier have less information as to the task at hand than those who play later and know how the 3rd place mini-league is poised.
I know it’s unlike me to incessantly complain, but with the World Cup expansion to 32 IMO you did see a dilution of quality, but at least 32 splits nicely down. And you have the additional bonus of expanding some slots around the globe too, which I think is good for both development of the game and some flavour, even if it’s rare to see those teams really doing much.
Whereas with the Euros you dilute that quality that I think saw it a better spectacle than the World Cup on a match per match basis, while giving it this wonky format
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Romania were definitely the best in the group.
World cup usually gives better games. This Euro is just special. Also 3rd place should never ever advance from the groups
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Yeah this third place advances is meh, also both playoff backets always look like one is WAY easier than the other.
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United States10393 Posts
Yeah not a fan of 3rd place advancing either. doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me. I get they don't want to knock out some quality teams from that end up 3rd in a group of death (Netherlands) but at that point just put them into their own easier group and add 2 more groups. Croatia and Netherlands would've gotten their own groups.
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Northern Ireland26763 Posts
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No... Not more groups in euros please. We already have more than half of relevant Europe in the tournament... Just different sized groups would solve everything
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United States10393 Posts
On June 27 2024 04:37 sharkie wrote:
No... Not more groups in euros please. We already have more than half of relevant Europe in the tournament... Just different sized groups would solve everything
what would you do then? 4 groups of 8 and play a swiss?
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Northern Ireland26763 Posts
On June 27 2024 03:51 sharkie wrote:
Romania were definitely the best in the group.
World cup usually gives better games. This Euro is just special. Also 3rd place should never ever advance from the groups
The old 16 team Euros were better quality wise pound-for-pound, half the field could have realistic aspirations to win the whole thing, and much of the rest could aspire to a deep run.
I mean the World Cup has the magic, underdog stories and being genuinely global in its favour of course. But on the other hand a lot more mismatches and wallopings.
Fingers crossed FIFA don’t go ahead with their boneheaded idea to expand it to 48 teams. You’ll get the wonky format I dislike of the current Euro format, but also I think you’ll push the size of the field too far and introduce even more mismatches.
In tonight’s football news, man I bloody love watching Joao Felix play he’s so great to watch. He’s probably the best player I’ve seen in recent years by the eye test who hasn’t quite stepped up to be consistently impactful
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On June 27 2024 05:00 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2024 03:51 sharkie wrote:
Romania were definitely the best in the group.
World cup usually gives better games. This Euro is just special. Also 3rd place should never ever advance from the groups The old 16 team Euros were better quality wise pound-for-pound, half the field could have realistic aspirations to win the whole thing, and much of the rest could aspire to a deep run. I mean the World Cup has the magic, underdog stories and being genuinely global in its favour of course. But on the other hand a lot more mismatches and wallopings. Fingers crossed FIFA don’t go ahead with their boneheaded idea to expand it to 48 teams. You’ll get the wonky format I dislike of the current Euro format, but also I think you’ll push the size of the field too far and introduce even more mismatches. In tonight’s football news, man I bloody love watching Joao Felix play he’s so great to watch. He’s probably the best player I’ve seen in recent years by the eye test who hasn’t quite stepped up to be consistently impactful
You are aware the 2026 world cup will have 48 teams, and the qualifiers have already started? They'll never go back and reduce it, not now, not after 2026.
But of course, no need to worry about the wonky format for too long. I'm sure we will have 64 teams by 2050 the latest.
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Georgia is definitely one of the best teams this euro. They were so unlucky in their games
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On June 27 2024 05:11 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2024 05:00 WombaT wrote:On June 27 2024 03:51 sharkie wrote:
Romania were definitely the best in the group.
World cup usually gives better games. This Euro is just special. Also 3rd place should never ever advance from the groups The old 16 team Euros were better quality wise pound-for-pound, half the field could have realistic aspirations to win the whole thing, and much of the rest could aspire to a deep run. I mean the World Cup has the magic, underdog stories and being genuinely global in its favour of course. But on the other hand a lot more mismatches and wallopings. Fingers crossed FIFA don’t go ahead with their boneheaded idea to expand it to 48 teams. You’ll get the wonky format I dislike of the current Euro format, but also I think you’ll push the size of the field too far and introduce even more mismatches. In tonight’s football news, man I bloody love watching Joao Felix play he’s so great to watch. He’s probably the best player I’ve seen in recent years by the eye test who hasn’t quite stepped up to be consistently impactful You are aware the 2026 world cup will have 48 teams, and the qualifiers have already started? They'll never go back and reduce it, not now, not after 2026. But of course, no need to worry about the wonky format for too long. I'm sure we will have 64 teams by 2050 the latest.
I mean, is it really the world cup if not absolutely every country participates in it? Skip the qualifiers, everyone can play!
I remember with great fondness winning the WC in FIFA98 with Vanuatu.
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United States10393 Posts
Insane sides of the bracket with Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, Germany all on one side of the bracket. Meanwhile I don't really see anyone on the other side who I would considered favored against any of the aforementioned teams (Belgium likely the weakest of the bunch but still at least even against anyone on the other side).
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Norway28794 Posts
I mean, Belgium and France are where they are because they couldn't win their groups. Spain is really the only team to impress so far. Arguably Austria has played better football than 4 of those teams, the Switzerland/Italy matchup is pretty good, and England and Netherlands should still have the ability to go toe to toe with the rest if they have a peak performance. I do agree that the top half is better but if you base yourself on 'name recognition/squad potential' then they have 5 of the top 8 vs 3 of the top 8, if you base yourself on tournament performance so far then it has the top 1 and everybody else is kinda meh.
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I am so happy that we will get rid of one if France vs Belgium. Both dont really deserve to be in the knockout stages
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Well i guess we learnt that we cannot replace a full team and still be effective in the attack.
Defense wise, 2 mistakes from one of the kids cost us 2 goals. Guess he wont be sold for a huge sum this summer after all xD
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On June 26 2024 23:49 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 20:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2024 20:34 WombaT wrote:On June 26 2024 17:20 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2024 17:16 sharkie wrote:
No. The team is "clown"... England has a sick golden generation and doing nothing with it England has had 5 golden generations in the last 5 generations. We never seem to have team without glaring weaknesses. There's good attacking talent in this squad but the midfield and defence are sorely lacking in balance. Southgate has become a weakness too. It seems to me he's just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks this time. The midfield is a tricky one, both Mainoo and Wharton feel like they could bring that balance, albeit they’re slightly different players but it’s possibly a year or two too early for them. Or at least it’s a risk to make them fundamental components. Nor do they have some wily veteran with the characteristics you’d want to balance the midfield that you can bring in for one last hurrah On the flipside, Rice and Bellingham are top notch in their positions, you don’t really need another top notch player, just somebody good that complements them and frees them to play to their strengths. But aye, one is getting that impression that Southgate is somewhat trial and erroring it. At previous tournaments you could still point out limitations in players/coach, but you could sorta identity the overall plan. This time around you’ve perhaps got more talent to play with, but the plan is difficult to discern. Its the passing that gets me. We have all these quality players who play for top sides but the passing is so weak. That's got to be a midfield problem surely. We just don't seem to ever be able to pick out that decisive pass through the lines. Trippier is the worst for this. The guy just can't ever see a pass, so he ends up going back to the CBs 99% of the time. Its so boring. The passing is for sure horrendous. I'm so tired of seeing Kane run back to his CBs from a striker position only for his first touch to basically put the ball halfway between him and the passing player where he has to try extra hard to make sure the opponent doesn't scoop the ball up. Same goes for the fullbacks who feel invisible. Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 17:10 MJG wrote:
Only in England could the national team win their group without losing a game, whilst only conceding a single goal from a 25-yard strike, and still have the majority of "fans" calling for the manager to be sacked mid-tournament. The team would probably play with a lot more confidence if they weren't getting booed for winning their group. Slovenia beat Portugal coming into the tournament. They're not pushovers.
Clown "fans" and clown media. A team with this much firepower needs to do something with the firepower. They've had a total of 29 shots so far. 5/12/12. That's some horrendous offense from a team with Kane, Foden, Palmer, Saka, Bellingham. There's no way you watch these games and think "yeah, this team is good enough to win the Euros or WC." And it's the same issue time and time again that doesn't get looked at or fixed. That's why the fans want Southgate sacked, because he simply isn't changing anything. He's not addressing the issues. He "experimented" with a single do-nothing change of Gallagher for Trent, who got fucking pulled anyways for Mainoo at halftime. Then, when he finally brings Trent back on for all of about 10 minutes at the end and Gordon for 5, the team actually looked cohesive and attacking. But by all means MJG, if you're just going to be satisfied with picking up 0-0 or 1-1 draws all the time with this team on paper, then feel free to be satisfied.
I never said I was satisfied, but there's a difference between expressing dissatisfaction and the kind of vitriol that gets levelled at the England team every time they fail to meet expectations. Not just in this tournament, but in every tournament I can remember watching going back to the early 90s. I'm quite tired of it and wanted to vent a little.
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