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United Kingdom10006 Posts
On August 01 2022 03:53 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2022 03:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 01 2022 03:32 Elentos wrote:
On the back of some abyssmal refereeing in the finals, "It's coming home - women's edition™" is a smashing success. The ref was equally terrible for both teams imo. She was terrible overall for sure. But in a world with VAR there should have been no way for the game to go on without a penalty against England early on in the game. So the whole refereeing team failed miserably. Germany ultimately was held back by the fact that 3 of their best players couldn't play the final and a 4th didn't have the energy to make it past 90 minutes. When you're down 4 players from your best possible team in overtime you're bound to lose control imo.
Its probably the biased UK coverage but I don't even know what incident you're talking about, there was no replay or anything.
Do you have a clip of it?
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I'd blame those decisions more on the VAR than the ref, even though the ref did not really convince me either.
Tbh it took me several replays to notice that handball situation in the first half, so I cant really blame the ref for that. But the Russo yellow card even in real time looked like a challenge that more often results in a red than a yellow. What further confused me was that there were at least 2 "potential penalty" VAR-reviews for which I dont think we got to see any replays for.
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On August 01 2022 04:02 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2022 03:53 Elentos wrote:On August 01 2022 03:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 01 2022 03:32 Elentos wrote:
On the back of some abyssmal refereeing in the finals, "It's coming home - women's edition™" is a smashing success. The ref was equally terrible for both teams imo. She was terrible overall for sure. But in a world with VAR there should have been no way for the game to go on without a penalty against England early on in the game. So the whole refereeing team failed miserably. Germany ultimately was held back by the fact that 3 of their best players couldn't play the final and a 4th didn't have the energy to make it past 90 minutes. When you're down 4 players from your best possible team in overtime you're bound to lose control imo. Its probably the biased UK coverage but I don't even know what incident you're talking about, there was no replay or anything. Do you have a clip of it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/WomensSoccer/comments/wcv084/the_handball_situation_with_leah_williamson/
Not great perspective wise and not blaming the main referee too much since it was chaotic, but VAR check should have concluded that this hand ball outright denied a goal (this was I believe 25-ish minutes into the first half).
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United Kingdom10006 Posts
On August 01 2022 04:07 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2022 04:02 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 01 2022 03:53 Elentos wrote:On August 01 2022 03:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 01 2022 03:32 Elentos wrote:
On the back of some abyssmal refereeing in the finals, "It's coming home - women's edition™" is a smashing success. The ref was equally terrible for both teams imo. She was terrible overall for sure. But in a world with VAR there should have been no way for the game to go on without a penalty against England early on in the game. So the whole refereeing team failed miserably. Germany ultimately was held back by the fact that 3 of their best players couldn't play the final and a 4th didn't have the energy to make it past 90 minutes. When you're down 4 players from your best possible team in overtime you're bound to lose control imo. Its probably the biased UK coverage but I don't even know what incident you're talking about, there was no replay or anything. Do you have a clip of it? https://www.reddit.com/r/WomensSoccer/comments/wcv084/the_handball_situation_with_leah_williamson/Not great perspective wise and not blaming the main referee too much since it was chaotic, but VAR check should have concluded that this hand ball outright denied a goal (this was I believe 25-ish minutes into the first half).
Yeah you're right that's handball.
It wasn't game deciding though just because of the timing, alot happened after that and both teams were fairly equal for most of the game.
I think it was just one of those finals that either team could have won.
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Its really a pity that Germany lost most of its best players before the final even began. Apparently England fielded their same tram a record 6 time (never ever before in Euro tournament history men and women)
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How do you feel about the state of women's game after the Euros? The game goes forward obviously and obviously it's still also a work in progress in many ways. Do you think there's some particular thing that makes a winning team or right now or in the near future or is it just overall improvement everywhere?
Based on highlights I've seen, I think I expected a bit better goalkeeping at times. I can understand the reach and explosive bounce causing issues for the smaller keepers, but I think there's still quite a bit to do in general technique and positioning too. That would probably help with consistency at the very least, although obviously you don't win based on goalkeeping alone.
Is England going to stay on top for now? I don't know the numbers, but I assume the PL club money and infrastructure means that they're going to have more resources than most countries.
In general I find the development of women's game really interesting as it's such a fresh and rapidly moving environment, it's just really tricky to grasp what's actually going on past the initial hot take opinions on surface level.
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At least with regards to goalkeeping, this tournament was leaps and bounds (hehe) ahead of the previous tournaments. In the past it felt that just about any shot that was high enough was a goal threat, whereas now you actually needed better quality finishing. Errors still happened obviously, but if anything goalkeeping is imo developing even faster than rest of the game.
England looked very good, but what's their team going to look like going forward? They had a fair few players playing their last Euros, maybe even last tournament. Also, US is still the end boss in the women's game, Euros can be quite deceiving with how evenly matched the top teams here are. For world cup or Olympics or whatnot, it very much comes down to who can match up versus the USWNT.
Edit: In general I loved watching the games, even if Finland's tournament unfortunately short and unsuccessful.
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I've only watched highlights of matches, but it seems to me that Germany has a plan of attack and that they've worked on their tactics. Seems really impressive.
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On August 01 2022 18:52 Kotreb wrote:
I've only watched highlights of matches, but it seems to me that Germany has a plan of attack and that they've worked on their tactics. Seems really impressive.
Not sure what had happened with the first goal though. Usually teams that pressure and defend this high have an active goalkeeper halfway to the center line. Germany had a huuuuuge hole there and England used it quite often.
In my mind I was always expecting Neuer to be there and kicking the ball away like I'm used to lol
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Another American headed to the EPL.
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Is there anything else than a loan and sales prospect out of him for Chelsea? Both Mendy and Kepa have contract until 2025. Unless Kepa declines into a complete liability, it's pretty hard to see anyone getting playtime outside the two.
I guess he can sort of wait out for 3 years on loan contracts, play regularly somewhere and then see what's going on in Chelsea's keeper department. Is that how goalies usually break through to top teams?
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On August 02 2022 13:50 Bacillus wrote:
Is there anything else than a loan and sales prospect out of him for Chelsea? Both Mendy and Kepa have contract until 2025. Unless Kepa declines into a complete liability, it's pretty hard to see anyone getting playtime outside the two.
I guess he can sort of wait out for 3 years on loan contracts, play regularly somewhere and then see what's going on in Chelsea's keeper department. Is that how goalies usually break through to top teams?
No. At least in the EPL it rarely works that way. Dean Henderson is the most recent example of someone trying that approach and failing. It rarely works for outfield players either though. Mason Mount springs to mind, but he had exceptional circumstances (a transfer ban at Chelsea, Hazard left, and the Chelsea boss was Mount's manager at Derby).
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On August 02 2022 13:50 Bacillus wrote:
Is there anything else than a loan and sales prospect out of him for Chelsea? Both Mendy and Kepa have contract until 2025. Unless Kepa declines into a complete liability, it's pretty hard to see anyone getting playtime outside the two.
I guess he can sort of wait out for 3 years on loan contracts, play regularly somewhere and then see what's going on in Chelsea's keeper department. Is that how goalies usually break through to top teams?
That is usually how put your career on ice. As a direct backup sure. But behind two? Naah. He'll play zero games and will get resold in 3 years to a second class club
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On August 02 2022 17:16 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2022 13:50 Bacillus wrote:
Is there anything else than a loan and sales prospect out of him for Chelsea? Both Mendy and Kepa have contract until 2025. Unless Kepa declines into a complete liability, it's pretty hard to see anyone getting playtime outside the two.
I guess he can sort of wait out for 3 years on loan contracts, play regularly somewhere and then see what's going on in Chelsea's keeper department. Is that how goalies usually break through to top teams? That is usually how put your career on ice. As a direct backup sure. But behind two? Naah. He'll play zero games and will get resold in 3 years to a second class club
Yeah, that's my initial reaction too. The rumored 15 million is still a decent chunk of money even for Chelsea, so they probably have some sort of best case scenario for him. I guess there's quite a bit of long term value if he helps establishing more fanbase in the growing US market or something.
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Only 4 people in Fantasy League this year? :\
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On August 02 2022 20:37 BeaTeR wrote:
Only 4 people in Fantasy League this year? :\
Thanks for reminding me! Forgot all about it
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Kepa is leaving this summer so we will have Mendy and Bettenili left. Mendy is good but i think there is room for improvement with him, this kid in 2-3 seasons could be our no1 if he continues his protectory.
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Gabriel Jesus is in 72% of FPL teams! The Arsenal hype is bigger than I thought
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
He is pretty cheap i think reason i went for him.
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On August 01 2022 15:52 Bacillus wrote:
How do you feel about the state of women's game after the Euros? The game goes forward obviously and obviously it's still also a work in progress in many ways. Do you think there's some particular thing that makes a winning team or right now or in the near future or is it just overall improvement everywhere?
Based on highlights I've seen, I think I expected a bit better goalkeeping at times. I can understand the reach and explosive bounce causing issues for the smaller keepers, but I think there's still quite a bit to do in general technique and positioning too. That would probably help with consistency at the very least, although obviously you don't win based on goalkeeping alone.
Is England going to stay on top for now? I don't know the numbers, but I assume the PL club money and infrastructure means that they're going to have more resources than most countries.
In general I find the development of women's game really interesting as it's such a fresh and rapidly moving environment, it's just really tricky to grasp what's actually going on past the initial hot take opinions on surface level.
It seems to me like the women's game is developing incredibly well.
Here in the States its popularity has been consistently rising (especially considering our women's team's constant success vs. the men's team's constant disappointment). In the UK it also seems to be really taking off. Numerous countries seem to be fielding more competitive teams than they previously did and the gap between teams is definitely narrowing.
What I am surprised about is Germany. I read an article recently that cited the DFB in saying that the women's game has actually been consistently going down in popularity (e.g. game attendance) for the past couple years in Germany. That seems really odd since Germany has historically dominated Europe and has been quite robust in their support.
I think that the result is really disappointing for Germany (and obviously the refereeing was frustrating) but that this result is actually really good for the women's game. Germany's women have won 8 Euro's, 2 WC's, and an Olympics (and their men 3 Euro's and 4 WC's), whereas this is the first English trophy on either side for a solid 60 years. Part of the problem with the Women's game is the lack of competition; teams like the U.S. absolutely dunk the overwhelming majority of the field at every tournament and after you get past the first 5-6 teams in the pecking order the quality of play seems to fall off a cliff, which can make it a lot more boring for the majority of the world to watch. Spreading the love and getting more teams to win will absolutely help the game's popularity overall.
For the English team it'll be interesting to see what they do going forward, as they have numerous older veterans that finally got their first trophy.
For the Germans, I hope they don't try to change anything; they were the better team for 60 minutes of that game (and the other 60 minutes were very even), and that was without four notable players in the squad at all (Marozjan/Leupolz/Popp/Buhl). England didn't outplay the Germans in any way and won on a goal line scramble and an individual play of brilliance (one great pass + one great finish). The team came into this tournament being heavily criticized and seen as a "has-been" team, so despite the heartbreak, they should have a lot of optimism going forward.
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