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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 27 2023 12:46 GMT
#2781
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18700 Posts
June 27 2023 14:18 GMT
#2782
What is with the fake rumours that Liverpool would pay over 250mil for mbappe? lol
Bellingham was way cheaper and was deemed too expensive and now stupid media is saying they want to buy mbappe?

That is the biggest fake news I have ever heard in football, prolly created just to make Real buy him this summer
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27206 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-27 15:11:01
June 27 2023 15:10 GMT
#2783
I mean there’s a whole cottage industry devoted to utter, utter nonsense in the football sphere every summer. This is definitely one of those. He’d enhance basically every team in the globe but it’s hardly their weakest area and they baulked at the Bellingham price in the area they did most need reinforced. And Mbappe has never really given any indication of wanting to go anywhere other than Real if he ever leaves PSG

90% of transfer window gossip is journalists absolutely stealing a living haha
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 28 2023 14:06 GMT
#2784
So Miami has found a new Coach. Gerardo “Tata” Martino....

As expected, Gerardo “Tata” Martino will be named Inter Miami head coach, according to multiple sources close to the team and Fox Sports. The former FC Barcelona, Argentina and Atlanta United coach was in Argentina over the weekend, traveling to Miami on Tuesday, and is expected to be formally introduced as early as Wednesday. Martino, 60, replaces Phil Neville, who was fired on June 1.

Javi Morales, an assistant under Neville, has been the interim coach over the past few weeks. Martino will be Inter Miami’s third coach in four years.

It is hardly a surprise that Martino was selected for the job. He was the first name that came up once it was clear Inter Miami was planning a change, and the fact that he has coached Miami-bound Lionel Messi on two occasions and won the MLS Cup in 2018 made him a natural choice.

Inter Miami managing owner Jorge Mas said there were three finalists for the job and confirmed Martino had interviewed for the position. The names of the other two never surfaced.

Martino and Messi are both natives of Rosario, Argentina, and spent time together in their hometown over the weekend participating in a testimonial game for former Argentina player Maxi Rodriguez, who is retiring. Messi scored a first half hat-trick on his 36th birthday in front of 42,000 fans.

Messi’s team in the exhibition was representing the Argentine national team and they played against a collection of legends from Rosario club Newell’s Old Boys, who were coached by former Newell’s coach Martino.

Martino first coached Messi at FC Barcelona in 2013-14, but he and the Spanish club parted ways after one season. The team was eliminated by Atletico Madrid in the Champions League quarterfinals, was runner up to Atletico Madrid for the La Liga title and reached the Copa Del Rey final but lost to Real Madrid.

Although that would be considered a successful season by most standards, it was the first trophy-less season for Barca since 2007-08.

Martino then became coach of the Argentina national team and led the team to the 2015 Copa América final before losing to host Chile on penalties.

His team also finished runner-up in the Copa América Centenario, losing again to Chile on penalties. Martino resigned from the Argentina national team in July 2016 and was hired to lead Major League Soccer expansion team Atlanta United, which kicked off in 2017. He led Atlanta to the MLS Cup championship in its second season and Martino was named MLS Coach of the Year. He then left for Mexico to coach its national team and spent three years there through the 2022 World Cup.

Mexico won the 2019 Gold Cup under Martino but had some disappointing results during World Cup qualifying and the team was eliminated after the Group Stage in Qatar. Martino and Mexico parted ways after the World Cup, and he let it be known he would welcome a return to MLS.

“MLS is my weakness,” Martino said in an interview with The Athletic. “I was part of an extraordinary project with Atlanta United that had a clear direction, a lot of communication and similar objectives that were established very quickly and executed.

“After coaching in MLS, I became attracted to it. I like the league. The possibility of returning to MLS is always there.”

In addition to being familiar with Messi, Martino has coached Sergio Busquets, Messi’s former teammate at FC Barcelona, who will also join Inter Miami in July. He also has coached Inter Miami’s Mexican midfielder Rodolfo Pizarro and forward Josef Martinez, who was the MLS MVP with Atlanta United during the championship season.

Martino takes over an Inter Miami team that is in last place in the Eastern Conference with a 5-13-0 record and 15 points over 18 games. The next game is at home Saturday against Austin FC.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4357 Posts
June 28 2023 19:37 GMT
#2785
So UEFA is changing the rules to avoid Chelsea like antics of spreading acquisition costs over almost a decade. A cap of 5y will be in place from July onwards.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany348 Posts
June 29 2023 19:02 GMT
#2786
UEFA has announced that they will be changing the name of the Europa Conference League in the future. The governing body of the sport in Europe officially made the decision on Wednesday. The third-tiered tournament only has two seasons under its belt.

The competition is dropping ‘Europa’ from the title. Instead, it will be the UEFA Conference League. However, this is not exactly an immediate change. The governing body is officially altering the name of the tournament ahead of the 2024/25 season.


Source (first hit on Google)
tl.net humour: https://www.kurtvonmeier.com/blog-1/2018/1/14/on-audio-alan-watts-and-g-spencer-brown-discuss-laws-of-form
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28864 Posts
June 29 2023 19:10 GMT
#2787
Step one to include Saudi Arabia :D
Moderator
Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany348 Posts
June 29 2023 19:37 GMT
#2788
On June 30 2023 04:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Step one to include Saudi Arabia :D


There's no doubt about that. In theory, if a Saudi Arabian team were allowed to participate, they could reach the Champions League by winning the Conference League and then the Europa League. My guess is that a Saudi team will be strong enough within five years to compete in the Conference League and reach the semi-finals. However, so far, there is absolutely no information regarding non-European teams competing in the UEFA Conference League, except for the name change.
tl.net humour: https://www.kurtvonmeier.com/blog-1/2018/1/14/on-audio-alan-watts-and-g-spencer-brown-discuss-laws-of-form
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27206 Posts
June 29 2023 20:53 GMT
#2789
Hopefully fucking not
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6292 Posts
June 29 2023 21:14 GMT
#2790
Uefa already has multiple Asian members. Israel, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and I might be missing one or two.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4414 Posts
June 29 2023 23:53 GMT
#2791
Mason Mount to United apparently a done deal. Chelsea have done a fairly impressive cull so far
Sucker for nostalgia
Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany348 Posts
June 30 2023 05:15 GMT
#2792
On June 30 2023 06:14 RvB wrote:
Uefa already has multiple Asian members. Israel, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and I might be missing one or two.


Former USSR states are in the UEFA because the USSR was. Israel was moved to Europe because many teams from the Middle East refused to play against Israeli teams.

Firminio (confirmed), Glasgow's Jota (player agreed to terms) and Inter's Brozovic (medical not done, yet) are the next players on the move to Saudi Arabia. Barça was interested in Brozovic, but couldn't afford him. Combine this with the fact that Real might not find a Benzema replacement and could play next season without a 9 shows that Saudi Arabia is starting to compete with top clubs for players.

Jesse Lingard isn't a top player anymore, but hopes for a load of cash as well and told Sky News "Saudi Arabia are doing big things. In the next year or so, the next couple of years, it will be one of the hot spots to go to. I’m not really surprised big names are moving out there, they’re doing big things. It’s something I’m obviously going to consider as well, I’ve not ruled that out either. It’s just got to be right for me at the end of the day."

tl.net humour: https://www.kurtvonmeier.com/blog-1/2018/1/14/on-audio-alan-watts-and-g-spencer-brown-discuss-laws-of-form
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9929 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-30 05:56:31
June 30 2023 05:55 GMT
#2793
On June 30 2023 14:15 Hildegard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2023 06:14 RvB wrote:
Uefa already has multiple Asian members. Israel, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and I might be missing one or two.


Former USSR states are in the UEFA because the USSR was. Israel was moved to Europe because many teams from the Middle East refused to play against Israeli teams.

Firminio (confirmed), Glasgow's Jota (player agreed to terms) and Inter's Brozovic (medical not done, yet) are the next players on the move to Saudi Arabia. Barça was interested in Brozovic, but couldn't afford him. Combine this with the fact that Real might not find a Benzema replacement and could play next season without a 9 shows that Saudi Arabia is starting to compete with top clubs for players.

Jesse Lingard isn't a top player anymore, but hopes for a load of cash as well and told Sky News "Saudi Arabia are doing big things. In the next year or so, the next couple of years, it will be one of the hot spots to go to. I’m not really surprised big names are moving out there, they’re doing big things. It’s something I’m obviously going to consider as well, I’ve not ruled that out either. It’s just got to be right for me at the end of the day."



Lingard's not even a footballer any more.
The world's most highly paid cheerleader more like.
I'm a bit bitter about his season at Forest
RIP Meatloaf <3
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8904 Posts
June 30 2023 07:03 GMT
#2794
On June 30 2023 14:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2023 14:15 Hildegard wrote:
On June 30 2023 06:14 RvB wrote:
Uefa already has multiple Asian members. Israel, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and I might be missing one or two.


Former USSR states are in the UEFA because the USSR was. Israel was moved to Europe because many teams from the Middle East refused to play against Israeli teams.

Firminio (confirmed), Glasgow's Jota (player agreed to terms) and Inter's Brozovic (medical not done, yet) are the next players on the move to Saudi Arabia. Barça was interested in Brozovic, but couldn't afford him. Combine this with the fact that Real might not find a Benzema replacement and could play next season without a 9 shows that Saudi Arabia is starting to compete with top clubs for players.

Jesse Lingard isn't a top player anymore, but hopes for a load of cash as well and told Sky News "Saudi Arabia are doing big things. In the next year or so, the next couple of years, it will be one of the hot spots to go to. I’m not really surprised big names are moving out there, they’re doing big things. It’s something I’m obviously going to consider as well, I’ve not ruled that out either. It’s just got to be right for me at the end of the day."



Lingard's not even a footballer any more.
The world's most highly paid cheerleader more like.
I'm a bit bitter about his season at Forest

honestly what were you expecting? the moment he chose forest over west ham i knew he was just going to steal a living rather than be a serious footballer
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9929 Posts
June 30 2023 07:14 GMT
#2795
On June 30 2023 16:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2023 14:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 30 2023 14:15 Hildegard wrote:
On June 30 2023 06:14 RvB wrote:
Uefa already has multiple Asian members. Israel, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and I might be missing one or two.


Former USSR states are in the UEFA because the USSR was. Israel was moved to Europe because many teams from the Middle East refused to play against Israeli teams.

Firminio (confirmed), Glasgow's Jota (player agreed to terms) and Inter's Brozovic (medical not done, yet) are the next players on the move to Saudi Arabia. Barça was interested in Brozovic, but couldn't afford him. Combine this with the fact that Real might not find a Benzema replacement and could play next season without a 9 shows that Saudi Arabia is starting to compete with top clubs for players.

Jesse Lingard isn't a top player anymore, but hopes for a load of cash as well and told Sky News "Saudi Arabia are doing big things. In the next year or so, the next couple of years, it will be one of the hot spots to go to. I’m not really surprised big names are moving out there, they’re doing big things. It’s something I’m obviously going to consider as well, I’ve not ruled that out either. It’s just got to be right for me at the end of the day."



Lingard's not even a footballer any more.
The world's most highly paid cheerleader more like.
I'm a bit bitter about his season at Forest

honestly what were you expecting? the moment he chose forest over west ham i knew he was just going to steal a living rather than be a serious footballer

This is the kind of condescending shit that's to be expected from a talksport journalist, not a reasonable football fan.

Still he did really miss out on being a REAL footballer in a team that finished in the dizzy heights of 14th, instead of lowly Forest who finished all the way down in 16th.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany348 Posts
June 30 2023 07:32 GMT
#2796
Jesse Lingard's mother suffered from severe depression. He might have a lighter form, as it can be a hereditary disease. We all should remember from time to time how hard it is to actually perform at the top level of the Premier League. If a player feels he doesn't have the strength anymore, I can understand the urge to make money while he still can. Once his career is over, it's not easy to find ways to make money for former professional players. There are only so many jobs for coaches, staffers, or TV pundits. 
Going back to a 9-to-5 job after being rich and famous must be brutal. And yes, there are much worse fates, but let's be honest: how many of us would have said no to a lot of money in his position?
tl.net humour: https://www.kurtvonmeier.com/blog-1/2018/1/14/on-audio-alan-watts-and-g-spencer-brown-discuss-laws-of-form
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8904 Posts
June 30 2023 07:41 GMT
#2797
On June 30 2023 16:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2023 16:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On June 30 2023 14:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 30 2023 14:15 Hildegard wrote:
On June 30 2023 06:14 RvB wrote:
Uefa already has multiple Asian members. Israel, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and I might be missing one or two.


Former USSR states are in the UEFA because the USSR was. Israel was moved to Europe because many teams from the Middle East refused to play against Israeli teams.

Firminio (confirmed), Glasgow's Jota (player agreed to terms) and Inter's Brozovic (medical not done, yet) are the next players on the move to Saudi Arabia. Barça was interested in Brozovic, but couldn't afford him. Combine this with the fact that Real might not find a Benzema replacement and could play next season without a 9 shows that Saudi Arabia is starting to compete with top clubs for players.

Jesse Lingard isn't a top player anymore, but hopes for a load of cash as well and told Sky News "Saudi Arabia are doing big things. In the next year or so, the next couple of years, it will be one of the hot spots to go to. I’m not really surprised big names are moving out there, they’re doing big things. It’s something I’m obviously going to consider as well, I’ve not ruled that out either. It’s just got to be right for me at the end of the day."



Lingard's not even a footballer any more.
The world's most highly paid cheerleader more like.
I'm a bit bitter about his season at Forest

honestly what were you expecting? the moment he chose forest over west ham i knew he was just going to steal a living rather than be a serious footballer

This is the kind of condescending shit that's to be expected from a talksport journalist, not a reasonable football fan.

Still he did really miss out on being a REAL footballer in a team that finished in the dizzy heights of 14th, instead of lowly Forest who finished all the way down in 16th.

well im sorry youre offended but its just a fact. he produced the best football hes played in basically his entire senior career at west ham, but despite their invitation he went to forest for the higher paycheck. hes basically no different to the players moving to saudi in their prime atm. in it for the money rather than the integrity of the competition
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9929 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-30 07:46:59
June 30 2023 07:43 GMT
#2798
On June 30 2023 16:41 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2023 16:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 30 2023 16:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On June 30 2023 14:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 30 2023 14:15 Hildegard wrote:
On June 30 2023 06:14 RvB wrote:
Uefa already has multiple Asian members. Israel, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and I might be missing one or two.


Former USSR states are in the UEFA because the USSR was. Israel was moved to Europe because many teams from the Middle East refused to play against Israeli teams.

Firminio (confirmed), Glasgow's Jota (player agreed to terms) and Inter's Brozovic (medical not done, yet) are the next players on the move to Saudi Arabia. Barça was interested in Brozovic, but couldn't afford him. Combine this with the fact that Real might not find a Benzema replacement and could play next season without a 9 shows that Saudi Arabia is starting to compete with top clubs for players.

Jesse Lingard isn't a top player anymore, but hopes for a load of cash as well and told Sky News "Saudi Arabia are doing big things. In the next year or so, the next couple of years, it will be one of the hot spots to go to. I’m not really surprised big names are moving out there, they’re doing big things. It’s something I’m obviously going to consider as well, I’ve not ruled that out either. It’s just got to be right for me at the end of the day."



Lingard's not even a footballer any more.
The world's most highly paid cheerleader more like.
I'm a bit bitter about his season at Forest

honestly what were you expecting? the moment he chose forest over west ham i knew he was just going to steal a living rather than be a serious footballer

This is the kind of condescending shit that's to be expected from a talksport journalist, not a reasonable football fan.

Still he did really miss out on being a REAL footballer in a team that finished in the dizzy heights of 14th, instead of lowly Forest who finished all the way down in 16th.

well im sorry youre offended but its just a fact. he produced the best football hes played in basically his entire senior career at west ham, but despite their invitation he went to forest for the higher paycheck. hes basically no different to the players moving to saudi in their prime atm. in it for the money rather than the integrity of the competition

It isn't a fact at all.
If you take away performance bonuses, which he clearly won't have received, his wage at Forest was about £110k per week, which is only slightly more than West Ham offered, and choosing a team that finished 2 places lower really has zero to do with integrity of anything at all.

Out of curiosity, do you think Keylor Navas, Felipe and Rennan Lodi all came to Forest just for the money too, from their Champions League teams? Because they all performed fantastically.
RIP Meatloaf <3
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8904 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-30 13:57:33
June 30 2023 08:57 GMT
#2799
how is this seasons results relevant to this discussion at all? (west ham still had a much better season despite their table standings btw because theyre still playing in europe next season with their ecl win)

when lingard was making his transfer his options were:

west ham - europa the year before, ecl in the upcoming season, previous loan experience + best ever career performances

forest - newly promoted

not to mention the fact that forest had thirty new arrivals in that window, including players loaned back out. thats not a transfer window that shows a confident sporting project, that shows desperate recruitment of established players in order to not be immediately relegated again.

theres really no debate about which of the clubs was more attractive from a purely sporting perspective. yet lingard chose forest and if you had to guess his motives theres really only one thing that came out on top with forest, and that was the $$$.

i dont know about the other players. i didnt follow their transfer sagas at all. some of them may be there on sporting merits, some may be there for money. i dont know and i dont care, im just talking about lingards case specifically. i would have liked to seen him succeed outside of united, but based on what i saw from him i was already calling bets during the transfer saga that
1. he would choose forest for the reportedly higher wages
2. he would fail miserably at forest

he managed to live up to my expectations and disappoint me simultaneously
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18700 Posts
June 30 2023 08:58 GMT
#2800
On June 30 2023 16:32 Hildegard wrote:
Jesse Lingard's mother suffered from severe depression. He might have a lighter form, as it can be a hereditary disease. We all should remember from time to time how hard it is to actually perform at the top level of the Premier League. If a player feels he doesn't have the strength anymore, I can understand the urge to make money while he still can. Once his career is over, it's not easy to find ways to make money for former professional players. There are only so many jobs for coaches, staffers, or TV pundits. 
Going back to a 9-to-5 job after being rich and famous must be brutal. And yes, there are much worse fates, but let's be honest: how many of us would have said no to a lot of money in his position?


As a Jesse Lingard? I would 100% always take the Saudi money - that will be literally life-changing for him
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