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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-11 14:20:41
December 11 2021 14:17 GMT
#1421
Okay, who can explain me why Grealish costs 100m? Is that becuase of his passport or what? He looks like an average player trying to jump over his head in MC roster, a bunch of questionable decisions during recent game vs Wolves, does not looks like he fit Pep's playstyle which is heavily focused on a teamplay

I believe Pep would love to trade him for Messi anytime if he could have a chance
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 11 2021 14:24 GMT
#1422
It was because at Villa and the way he plays looks like a perfect man city player. Gets on the ball, keeps it, runs with it and beats players. The 100 million tag like you say is because he gets English inflation tax, premier league to premier league transfer tax.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4388 Posts
December 11 2021 14:52 GMT
#1423
Thoughts on the Joao Moutinho penalty call for anyone who saw it? I honestly couldn't tell which part of him it hit first
Sucker for nostalgia
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
December 11 2021 15:21 GMT
#1424
On December 11 2021 23:52 DropBear wrote:
Thoughts on the Joao Moutinho penalty call for anyone who saw it? I honestly couldn't tell which part of him it hit first


I'm leaning towards no pen, I think the ball touched mostly his armpit, but not a clear and obvious error on the ref's side I guess. I'm much more flustered by Raul Jimenez Idiocy, I hope his mates were furious in the dressing room. 100% cost them a point today.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
December 11 2021 15:31 GMT
#1425
On December 11 2021 23:17 Dav1oN wrote:
Okay, who can explain me why Grealish costs 100m? Is that becuase of his passport or what? He looks like an average player trying to jump over his head in MC roster, a bunch of questionable decisions during recent game vs Wolves, does not looks like he fit Pep's playstyle which is heavily focused on a teamplay

I believe Pep would love to trade him for Messi anytime if he could have a chance

He was worth 100 million to Aston Villa and City had to pay it.

I think Pep wanted him precisely because he’s not a ‘Pep player’, but it’ll take time to gel.

As great as City are in full flow, it’s a well-oiled machine. Notably in some of their big Champion’s League losses when the machine isn’t delivering the goods, the players seem to struggle to deviate, and they just play like robots in to a defeat.

My best guess is Pep wanted Grealish because he’s more off the cuff and improvisational, he is that kind of individualistic player, which in a team of good systemic city-zens might give them an extra edge.

Messi of course is/was the ultimate weapon in this regard, I just don’t think City were expecting him to be available and had already moved for Grealish
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4388 Posts
December 11 2021 16:58 GMT
#1426
On December 12 2021 00:21 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2021 23:52 DropBear wrote:
Thoughts on the Joao Moutinho penalty call for anyone who saw it? I honestly couldn't tell which part of him it hit first


I'm leaning towards no pen, I think the ball touched mostly his armpit, but not a clear and obvious error on the ref's side I guess. I'm much more flustered by Raul Jimenez Idiocy, I hope his mates were furious in the dressing room. 100% cost them a point today.

I agree with all of that

Also Aubameyang wasn't in the squad at all for Arsenal today and Arteta said it was for "a disciplinary breach". Apparently he didn't rock up to training.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 11 2021 17:02 GMT
#1427
Dirty dirty leeds returned today, thank god a dogshit performance was enough to beat them and spare our blushes but wow they played dirty.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9768 Posts
December 11 2021 17:29 GMT
#1428
On December 12 2021 02:02 Pandemona wrote:
Dirty dirty leeds returned today, thank god a dogshit performance was enough to beat them and spare our blushes but wow they played dirty.

At least some traditions are being kept alive in football
RIP Meatloaf <3
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 11 2021 17:34 GMT
#1429
Yeah commentator literally every 5 minutes mentioning the infamous fa cup replay in the 70s and how michael oliver a premier league ref now said would have been 11 red cards in that game on todays officiating.
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4238 Posts
December 12 2021 12:27 GMT
#1430
On December 09 2021 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2021 18:59 Harris1st wrote:
On December 08 2021 03:05 Elentos wrote:
On December 07 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote:
Why didn't he rewatch the Reus situation?

He couldn't. According to the official DFB statement, the foul happened outside of the box. The VAR isn't allowed to make him review that situation.
On December 07 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote:
Why didn't he rewatch the Reus situation?

As he himself explained after the game, Zwayer made contact with the VAR for this situation. He told the VAR what he saw and that this wasn't a foul to him and the VAR confirmed that he didn't miss anything, meaning there's no need for a video review. However, Zwayer missed the legs making contact (he only saw the shoving) and the VAR didn't correct him. This is not first and foremost Zwayer's mistake.

Regardless, he probably couldn't have rewatched the Reus situation anyway. Haaland was stated by the DFB to have been offside ahead of the foul. So what would have more likely happened is we would have had a 3 minute break for them to set up the calibrated offside lines. And then Zwayer would have called offside and people would still be upset.
On December 07 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote:
Why DID he rewatch the Hummels penalty and immediately decided for penalty?

Again, paraphrasing from Zwayer's explanation right after the game, he saw that the ball touched Hummels' arm during play. He contacted the VAR because he wasn't able to see the position and movement properly. The VAR told him the arm was in an unnatural position and advised Zwayer to review. He didn't spend a long time making his decision sure, but if seeing the scene twice makes him think it's clear-cut that's fine.


After reading your post I rewatched the game highlights a bunch.

The Haaland situation is arguable. I mean yes the contact started outside the box but it seems it was either more intense inside the box or Haaland resisted at first and wanted to drag the foul inside. But not giving it at least a freekick in a prime position was an obvious and glaring mistake!

Reus situation could have been offside but after rewatching it 4 times it was hell a close offside if at all.

The Hummels penalty: Yes you are right. It was very unlucky because I think Hummels had no idea what he was doing (intend) but he was still enlarging his body with a active movement.

Regarding the haaland thing - it is always ruled based on where the foul starts. And potential free kicks are not actionable by VAR. But you are right that zwayer himself could have called it.


is that a new rule or something? not that long ago, the rule was clear for on going foul situations the moment where the foul ended was where it was supposed to be given. this was mostly irrelevant elsewhere, but significant in penalty situations.

i know this was like this for a fact because there were a few very very very very controversial decisions in our home league a few years ago that were justified by the experts as correct due to this rule (either penalty given or not, happened both ways).
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
December 12 2021 18:51 GMT
#1431
On December 12 2021 21:27 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2021 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 08 2021 18:59 Harris1st wrote:
On December 08 2021 03:05 Elentos wrote:
On December 07 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote:
Why didn't he rewatch the Reus situation?

He couldn't. According to the official DFB statement, the foul happened outside of the box. The VAR isn't allowed to make him review that situation.
On December 07 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote:
Why didn't he rewatch the Reus situation?

As he himself explained after the game, Zwayer made contact with the VAR for this situation. He told the VAR what he saw and that this wasn't a foul to him and the VAR confirmed that he didn't miss anything, meaning there's no need for a video review. However, Zwayer missed the legs making contact (he only saw the shoving) and the VAR didn't correct him. This is not first and foremost Zwayer's mistake.

Regardless, he probably couldn't have rewatched the Reus situation anyway. Haaland was stated by the DFB to have been offside ahead of the foul. So what would have more likely happened is we would have had a 3 minute break for them to set up the calibrated offside lines. And then Zwayer would have called offside and people would still be upset.
On December 07 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote:
Why DID he rewatch the Hummels penalty and immediately decided for penalty?

Again, paraphrasing from Zwayer's explanation right after the game, he saw that the ball touched Hummels' arm during play. He contacted the VAR because he wasn't able to see the position and movement properly. The VAR told him the arm was in an unnatural position and advised Zwayer to review. He didn't spend a long time making his decision sure, but if seeing the scene twice makes him think it's clear-cut that's fine.


After reading your post I rewatched the game highlights a bunch.

The Haaland situation is arguable. I mean yes the contact started outside the box but it seems it was either more intense inside the box or Haaland resisted at first and wanted to drag the foul inside. But not giving it at least a freekick in a prime position was an obvious and glaring mistake!

Reus situation could have been offside but after rewatching it 4 times it was hell a close offside if at all.

The Hummels penalty: Yes you are right. It was very unlucky because I think Hummels had no idea what he was doing (intend) but he was still enlarging his body with a active movement.

Regarding the haaland thing - it is always ruled based on where the foul starts. And potential free kicks are not actionable by VAR. But you are right that zwayer himself could have called it.


is that a new rule or something? not that long ago, the rule was clear for on going foul situations the moment where the foul ended was where it was supposed to be given. this was mostly irrelevant elsewhere, but significant in penalty situations.

i know this was like this for a fact because there were a few very very very very controversial decisions in our home league a few years ago that were justified by the experts as correct due to this rule (either penalty given or not, happened both ways).

I don't know about Portugal but it has been that way for as long as I can remember. If a foul starts outside the penalty area then it has always been a free kick and not a pen.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7042 Posts
December 13 2021 09:39 GMT
#1432
On December 12 2021 21:27 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2021 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 08 2021 18:59 Harris1st wrote:
On December 08 2021 03:05 Elentos wrote:
On December 07 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote:
Why didn't he rewatch the Reus situation?

He couldn't. According to the official DFB statement, the foul happened outside of the box. The VAR isn't allowed to make him review that situation.
On December 07 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote:
Why didn't he rewatch the Reus situation?

As he himself explained after the game, Zwayer made contact with the VAR for this situation. He told the VAR what he saw and that this wasn't a foul to him and the VAR confirmed that he didn't miss anything, meaning there's no need for a video review. However, Zwayer missed the legs making contact (he only saw the shoving) and the VAR didn't correct him. This is not first and foremost Zwayer's mistake.

Regardless, he probably couldn't have rewatched the Reus situation anyway. Haaland was stated by the DFB to have been offside ahead of the foul. So what would have more likely happened is we would have had a 3 minute break for them to set up the calibrated offside lines. And then Zwayer would have called offside and people would still be upset.
On December 07 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote:
Why DID he rewatch the Hummels penalty and immediately decided for penalty?

Again, paraphrasing from Zwayer's explanation right after the game, he saw that the ball touched Hummels' arm during play. He contacted the VAR because he wasn't able to see the position and movement properly. The VAR told him the arm was in an unnatural position and advised Zwayer to review. He didn't spend a long time making his decision sure, but if seeing the scene twice makes him think it's clear-cut that's fine.


After reading your post I rewatched the game highlights a bunch.

The Haaland situation is arguable. I mean yes the contact started outside the box but it seems it was either more intense inside the box or Haaland resisted at first and wanted to drag the foul inside. But not giving it at least a freekick in a prime position was an obvious and glaring mistake!

Reus situation could have been offside but after rewatching it 4 times it was hell a close offside if at all.

The Hummels penalty: Yes you are right. It was very unlucky because I think Hummels had no idea what he was doing (intend) but he was still enlarging his body with a active movement.

Regarding the haaland thing - it is always ruled based on where the foul starts. And potential free kicks are not actionable by VAR. But you are right that zwayer himself could have called it.


is that a new rule or something? not that long ago, the rule was clear for on going foul situations the moment where the foul ended was where it was supposed to be given. this was mostly irrelevant elsewhere, but significant in penalty situations.

i know this was like this for a fact because there were a few very very very very controversial decisions in our home league a few years ago that were justified by the experts as correct due to this rule (either penalty given or not, happened both ways).


This one is kinda tricky.
If there is foot contact and the player falls into the box, it's always point of contact. But with holding it is much more difficult
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18572 Posts
December 13 2021 11:25 GMT
#1433
ManUtd vs PSG lol
how rigged this is
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28736 Posts
December 13 2021 11:39 GMT
#1434
Benfica – Real Madrid

Villarreal – Manchester City

Inter – Ajax

Sporting - Juventus

Bayern - Atletico

United- PSG

Liverpool - Salzburg

Chelsea - Lille

Most are fairly one sided tbh. United PSG I can see go either way (IF united keeps progressing - but player by player they're competitive), and while Ajax has been fantastic I'm still inclined to believe that they're a bit more vulnerable than the other top teams, so if they get like 3 key injuries maybe they're worse off.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28736 Posts
December 13 2021 12:17 GMT
#1435
On December 13 2021 20:25 sharkie wrote:
ManUtd vs PSG lol
how rigged this is


Lol I'm reading 'very'?
Not really that I think it's conscious because these mistakes are too damn amateurish but basically..
Villareal could not draw Real Madrid (same country) or Manchester United (same group)

But when Villareal was drawing opponent, Manchester United hadn't been removed from the selection. Villareal ended up drawing Manchester United. Redraw happens, they get City. Not really a big deal, because whether United is part of that draw and they redraw if United is picked, or whether they entirely omit them from Villareal's opponents doesn't actually make any difference.

However, it seems like they forgot to put Manchester United back in the selection, and when Atletico Madrid was drawing opponent, United should have been part of their potential opponents - but they weren't. That one is a genuine scandal, something that should/could inspire a full redraw.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7042 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-13 12:39:58
December 13 2021 12:37 GMT
#1436
It seems that if any of the teams that got mixed up (Atleti, Bayern, Liverpool, ManU) object to the draw, it will be redrawn. If not, the draw stands

If I were Bayern, I would want a redraw. Atleti is one of the worst if not THE worst draw for them
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-13 13:10:03
December 13 2021 13:08 GMT
#1437
On December 13 2021 21:37 Harris1st wrote:
It seems that if any of the teams that got mixed up (Atleti, Bayern, Liverpool, ManU) object to the draw, it will be redrawn. If not, the draw stands

If I were Bayern, I would want a redraw. Atleti is one of the worst if not THE worst draw for them

Famous last words but Athleti were shocking in the groups and rather fortunate to get out. Granted I said this before they put Liverpool out, but I just don’t think they’re that good anymore

Don’t fancy Inter’s chances against Ajax, but I’m quite happy with the draw, Ajax play nice football and though we might not make it through I’d rather have a tie against a historically huge team in top form.

We’re not always in the CL, even less frequently do we make it out of groups, may as well get a sexy tie

Unless one has genuine realistic ambitions of winning the whole thing, getting an ‘easy’ draw at this stage isn’t super appealing to me.

This is assuming the draw stands considering what people are saying about them actually fucking up the draw.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7042 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-13 13:23:01
December 13 2021 13:21 GMT
#1438
On December 13 2021 22:08 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2021 21:37 Harris1st wrote:
It seems that if any of the teams that got mixed up (Atleti, Bayern, Liverpool, ManU) object to the draw, it will be redrawn. If not, the draw stands

If I were Bayern, I would want a redraw. Atleti is one of the worst if not THE worst draw for them

Famous last words but Athleti were shocking in the groups and rather fortunate to get out. Granted I said this before they put Liverpool out, but I just don’t think they’re that good anymore


I think it's more of a playstyle problem: Bayern is top 3 when it comes to gameflow, maybe even the best right now and Atlethi are the best at throwing wrenches into well oiled machines and breaking bones.

Edit: Bild.de says it will be redrawn in an hour or two
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 13 2021 14:01 GMT
#1439
I'm quite impressed this type of fuck up didn't happen earlier. If you check how many restrictions and rules there are
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-13 14:22:16
December 13 2021 14:21 GMT
#1440
Bayern will be happy to get Salzburg instead of Atletico...
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