EPTOn August 17 2020 04:31 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah i think they bait it on BT Sport 1, it silly. Try find Extra
Yeah i think they bait it on BT Sport 1, it silly. Try find Extra
Ok thanks.
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Oukka
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WombaT
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On August 17 2020 04:50 Oukka wrote: Manu should be up by two by now. Enough shots from very good positions to score more than a single penalty. Also not a fan of the ref stopping the play at every contact, let the boys play a bit. He’s definitely missed a few great opportunities to play the advantage, always a source of great frustration to me as a (theoretical) true neutral :p Personal bugbear, play it more! If it’s a congested shitshow in the midfield sure sometimes just blow for the foul, when a team is breaking quickly into a 3 on 3/4 into open space and the attacking team gets the ball despite the foul, play the advantage consarnit! | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Oh well, GG Europa specialists Sevilla! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
I kind of would like Lopetegui to get a trophy in his cabinet though. Was no reason for the Spanish FA to fire him ahead of a World Cup (and stink the place out) for the crime of having another job lined up. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4189 Posts
On August 16 2020 21:23 Sapaio wrote: Pep was brought in to win CL for City, he has had 3 tries and going out to Lyon isn't really acceptable and hard to write it of as a fluke when it's the thrid time. People forget you need to be really lucky to win a knockout competition and City were really unlucky the past few years like this year vs Lyon and Spurs last year. Pep could have chose different tactics but it's a little unfair to put the full blame on the manager if your players are missing easy chances. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
On August 17 2020 05:57 Pandemona wrote: Well thats nutty, this game shows the lack of depth in Yanited squad if their front 3 isn't scoring. They created chanced but Rashford looked poor and Greenwood was forcing it, but they have NO ONE to bring on because they all so poor on the bench. Oh well, GG Europa specialists Sevilla! tbh what all our losses this season really showed was that our defense is deceptively bad. i know our defensive record in the league was really good this season but it came at the cost of goals. when individually defensive players had to step up very few of them did. maguire is great in the air and thats about it, lindelof is actually dirtshit and de gea unfortunately is out of form. i wouldnt be complaining if teams score against us because they do something really well, but the amount of goals weve gifted to teams because someone (*cough lindelof cough*) doesnt want to put a foot in and actually take a guy on is ridiculous. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On August 17 2020 10:57 Dante08 wrote: People forget you need to be really lucky to win a knockout competition and City were really unlucky the past few years like this year vs Lyon and Spurs last year. Pep could have chose different tactics but it's a little unfair to put the full blame on the manager if your players are missing easy chances. I really don't understand this. You give Pep the credit for creating a team that create many chances but he is somehow not responsible for them being missed. He used Sterling that is notorious for missing chances. He is also responsible for the lack of strikers they got, if he didn't buy every attacking midfielder with flair and vision he could have bought a great striker like Auba or Salah. I can understand you are unlucky ones or twice but now it's the third time. Then he should really take the majority of the blame. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
On August 17 2020 16:40 Sapaio wrote: I really don't understand this. You give Pep the credit for creating a team that create many chances but he is somehow not responsible for them being missed. He used Sterling that is notorious for missing chances. He is also responsible for the lack of strikers they got, if he didn't buy every attacking midfielder with flair and vision he could have bought a great striker like Auba or Salah. I can understand you are unlucky ones or twice but now it's the third time. Then he should really take the majority of the blame. why is this so unreasonable? if would be peps fault if his teams didnt create the chances at all. the manager determines the team that can set up to play in a particular style that maximises the number of possible chances to score in a game. i dont recall citys previous 2 eliminations too well but against lyon city dominated and honestly probably deserved to win. its not peps fault his players choke in clear cut situations. i do concede that pep is to blame for citys defensive issues though. losing kompany and laporte to injury is a blow but with amount of money hes spent on the backline their defense should be much better. also its not fair to say "pep shouldnt have picked this player for selection then". no manager can reasonably expect that their players would miss open goals and good managers instill belief in their players by selecting them even when their form is poor. as for the striker issue, peps teams have never needed many number 9s. in fact his barca is the reason why false 9 came back to modern football. when your team is playing that high up and you have multiple players in and around the box you dont need a "striker", you just need anyone who is good with the ball. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
They only did after he subbed Mahrez in and that's 60min of game time City did not dominate Also peps team doesnt need number 9s? Bayern had lewa, City has Aguero. So 2/3 of his teams had CLEAR number 9s. And Barca had messi who is like a cheat code | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18464 Posts
On August 17 2020 17:42 sharkie wrote: City dominated against Lyon?! wtf? They only did after he subbed Mahrez in and that's 60min of game time City did not dominate Also peps team doesnt need number 9s? Bayern had lewa, City has Aguero. So 2/3 of his teams had CLEAR number 9s. And Barca had messi who is like a cheat code Barça also had Eto'o in his first season (even though they didn't get along), then Zlatan in his second season, and then Villa in his third season onward. Despite all 3 of these being superstar strikers, none of them worked well with Pep and his vision for tiki taka at Barça. That doesn't really seem to have been the problem at Bayern or City, though. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
So why is there this myth that Pep's system doesn't need/works with a real 9 when he actually worked with some of the best world class 9s of the last two decades? Eto'o: Villa Lewandowski Aguero Henry Any team would kill to have these 9s in their team. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
so saying that its a failure of peps to not find a 9 to cover for aguero is just wrong. pep has never had cover for his nines on the level of starting elevens | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On August 17 2020 18:17 sharkie wrote: oh my god, I totally forgot about eto and villa... So why is there this myth that Pep's system doesn't need/works with a real 9 when he actually worked with some of the best world class 9s of the last two decades? Eto'o: Villa Lewandowski Aguero Henry Any team would kill to have these 9s in their team. They’re not a bad bunch. Generally speaking the Barca ones didn’t tend to play as 9s though, out the left or rotating around the 3 with Messi dropping deeper. Eto’o, Henry and Villa’s numbers would suffer a bit, but hey the team won a lot and Pedro emerged as a really incisive presence out the right. So I mean he had great 9s there but he redeployed them. Eto’o fairly took one for the team for both Barca and my beloved Inter that’s for sure! Subsequently he’s gone back to using some kind of focal point 9 with regularity and saves his false 9 shenanigans for specific game plans (and sometimes overthinks it), notably it worked pretty well when City dumped Real out. It doesn’t make a huge amount of sense to play that way all the time unless you have a certain Lionel Messi IMO. To compensate for a centre forward’s threat in behind and stretching backlines you need a player that can stretch the play from deeper with dribbling and acceleration, and you need a player who has playmaking precision or a goal threat from deeper once the line has been broken. It’s only if you have Messi’s attributes that it’s overly worthwhile doing consistently, you see it when other teams try it out. The Spain sides that tried to play Barcelona without Messi never looked as threatening as when they trusted Torres or Villa as their outlet. If your Fabregas’, Silvas and Matas of the world had that yard of pace and acceleration to beat players in addition to their great passing ability then sure. That’s if your gameplan is dominating possession a la Pep of course, Liverpool’s rapier-quick counter attacks and their high press work well with Firmino’s movement and him dropping deep to make space. | ||
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