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Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
September 18 2018 20:24 GMT
#641
Cakir missed yellow card for Sturridge, at the very least, for hitting the goalkeeper with the studs. Some refs will give straight red for that, not without reason.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
September 18 2018 20:28 GMT
#642
On September 19 2018 05:24 Pr0wler wrote:
Cakir missed yellow card for Sturridge, at the very least, for hitting the goalkeeper with the studs. Some refs will give straight red for that, not without reason.

was brilliant to watch the goal line ref do absolutely nothing from about 1.5 meters away
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
September 18 2018 20:32 GMT
#643
PSG looks clueless it's sad to see. The team is cut in half, the front 3 get 0 balls and when they do get some, they take the wrong decisions all the time. And defending is poor, almost no press... Not looking great.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
September 18 2018 20:37 GMT
#644
well that shouldn't have been called as a pen for Porto. Pretty clear dive
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18480 Posts
September 18 2018 22:56 GMT
#645
Favre keeps getting lucky goals that save him his trainer position. Thw team looks completely clueless going forward and still he refuses to use Kagawa. He even gave gotze a starting spot lol
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
September 19 2018 01:19 GMT
#646
Poch must be frustrated. He's defending his players well, and decision not buying over the summer. But he must be blind if he doesn't realise his team lacks the depth required to pursue anything more than what they achieved in the past years.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18480 Posts
September 19 2018 01:31 GMT
#647
He has already overachieved a lot thanks to Kane
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1973 Posts
September 19 2018 07:53 GMT
#648
On September 19 2018 07:56 sharkie wrote:
Favre keeps getting lucky goals that save him his trainer position. Thw team looks completely clueless going forward and still he refuses to use Kagawa. He even gave gotze a starting spot lol

I'm still kind of puzzled who their main goalscoring threat is supposed to be. Healthy Reus can be amazing and can play striker, but even then he's probably even better at supporting the striker and isn't likely going to be available all season.


Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 19 2018 07:53 GMT
#649
Yeah i can see Tuchel gone soon, that champions league group is very hard and it is quite clear the job the PSG owners want is someone to WIN the champions league.

Mourinho, Conte and Zidane are "available" options to replace him very quickly, Mourinho not yet of course but will be soon enough
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
September 19 2018 08:31 GMT
#650
On September 19 2018 10:19 nayumi wrote:
Poch must be frustrated. He's defending his players well, and decision not buying over the summer. But he must be blind if he doesn't realise his team lacks the depth required to pursue anything more than what they achieved in the past years.


Like I said before, this squad couldn't even finish 2nd in 2016 when all the top sides screwed up. The current squad will not achieve anything noticeable unless more quality is added. Spurs need someone else to take responsibility in scoring goals
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4728 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-19 08:48:16
September 19 2018 08:46 GMT
#651
On September 19 2018 07:56 sharkie wrote:
Favre keeps getting lucky goals that save him his trainer position. Thw team looks completely clueless going forward and still he refuses to use Kagawa. He even gave gotze a starting spot lol



Dortmund's most serious problem in the last few years was that they didn't win when they played poorly against average teams.

They are already doing a pretty good job at this right now, winning several scrappy games. Of course at some point they have to start playing better. But I believe with a little more time to build the team, they will. I also believe Favre is an excellent manager and will be very good for Dortmund.

Besides that the quality of the team is just not on par with the best teams in Europe. If they get 2nd in Bundesliga and maybe Top8 in CL, that would be an amazing season. Everything else is somewhat unrealistic.

(God, Bundesliga is so amazingly, stupidly, freakingly boring right now.)
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WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
September 19 2018 09:38 GMT
#652
On September 19 2018 16:53 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah i can see Tuchel gone soon, that champions league group is very hard and it is quite clear the job the PSG owners want is someone to WIN the champions league.

Mourinho, Conte and Zidane are "available" options to replace him very quickly, Mourinho not yet of course but will be soon enough

The problem goes beyond who's the coach. As long as the direction doesn't get their shit together, players will rule and not feel like committing their 100% in games like yesterday. Neymar should have been subbed yesterday, but he can't be because of his status.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 19 2018 12:00 GMT
#653
When you play DiMaria in a midfield 3 though you are asking for trouble. Signing the likes of Choupo-Moting guy from Stoke on a free when you CLEARLY need a defensive midfielder. Tuchel could have taken the likes of Kramer or Bender from Bundesliga and done the job he needed perfectly. Then the 3 man midfield of Bender/Kramer + Rabiot + Verrati looks decent on paper no?

You can excuse their bad defending a bit due to missing their left back and without Marqinhos at the back due to midfield injuries i assume? Without Buffon in goal isn't an excuse though as Areola is decent imo.

If i went into PSG though first thing you have to do is sell one of; Mbappe/Neymar/Cavani/DiMaria as all those 4 cannot be kept happy on the pitch at same time. I would always push to getting rid of DiMaria, then you have Draxler as backup for one winger spot etc.

When PSG get a manager like Mourinho/Conte/Zidane you will see a transformation in terms of squad and style, maybe not so much if Zidane took the job but at least he would get the right players in that midfield. Still i cannot believe they sold Matuidi...imagine him last night vs Scouse!
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-19 12:52:42
September 19 2018 12:49 GMT
#654
On September 19 2018 21:00 Pandemona wrote:
When you play DiMaria in a midfield 3 though you are asking for trouble. Signing the likes of Choupo-Moting guy from Stoke on a free when you CLEARLY need a defensive midfielder. Tuchel could have taken the likes of Kramer or Bender from Bundesliga and done the job he needed perfectly. Then the 3 man midfield of Bender/Kramer + Rabiot + Verrati looks decent on paper no?

You can excuse their bad defending a bit due to missing their left back and without Marqinhos at the back due to midfield injuries i assume? Without Buffon in goal isn't an excuse though as Areola is decent imo.

If i went into PSG though first thing you have to do is sell one of; Mbappe/Neymar/Cavani/DiMaria as all those 4 cannot be kept happy on the pitch at same time. I would always push to getting rid of DiMaria, then you have Draxler as backup for one winger spot etc.

When PSG get a manager like Mourinho/Conte/Zidane you will see a transformation in terms of squad and style, maybe not so much if Zidane took the job but at least he would get the right players in that midfield. Still i cannot believe they sold Matuidi...imagine him last night vs Scouse!


Tuchel isn't responsible for the recruitment, he already has started to complain about the most glaring issue: no 6 was recruited (and no good left back, but that might not have been possible). Coach at PSG has little responsibilities outside of the pitch since Leonardo & Ancelotti left, and they've never been as good in CL as then with a more expensive (and probably better tbh) team.
The one you want fired is Henrique.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 19 2018 12:56 GMT
#655
Ahh right i thought Tuchel went in with full power as that was reason he left Dortmund i thought was because he didn't get full power of transfer market. Why do clubs hire people in these sporting director roles or give powers of football transfers to people who do not understand the game or what is needed.

How can anyone at PSG not understand they need a midfielder or even two? How is it ok to play Di Maria in a 3 man midfield and Marquinhos as a Holding midfielder?
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
September 19 2018 13:09 GMT
#656
On September 19 2018 21:56 Pandemona wrote:
Ahh right i thought Tuchel went in with full power as that was reason he left Dortmund i thought was because he didn't get full power of transfer market. Why do clubs hire people in these sporting director roles or give powers of football transfers to people who do not understand the game or what is needed.

How can anyone at PSG not understand they need a midfielder or even two? How is it ok to play Di Maria in a 3 man midfield and Marquinhos as a Holding midfielder?


For what gets in the media it looks like way more ego/power thing than not recognizing which positions are needed. They can't agree on the players to bring in. (Tbh the only time Di Maria was really good was as a central midfielder but that's way back now and I agree with you)
Zest fanboy.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-19 13:27:32
September 19 2018 13:27 GMT
#657
The thing at PSG is that it's a mess. They promised to Henrique (sporting director poached from Porto) he would have full power, they promised to Tuchel he would have full power, they promised Neymar's father he would have a word regarding transfers. Their president is a former tennis coach who did a diplomat cursus. Eventually no one can decide anything as the decisions come from unknown people in Doha. On top of that, all of the Qatari favor loyal people over competent people because it's a middle age monarchy.

Source : + Show Spoiler +


It's in French, he's a journalist mostly writing books, also worked for a prestigious American newspaper (can't remember the name) and bbc, so rather reliable.

He has made a video about Choupo Moting to PSG and it's just helping an agent to put a fancy layer on his player so he can make some bucks selling it to China, nothing related to sport whatsoever.

Most of his videos are amazing btw, specially the ones on Zahavi and Ramadani, the football superagents.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-19 14:40:54
September 19 2018 14:36 GMT
#658
Perhaps PSG should use the money or less ego centric players. The club seems more like a marketing campaign than anything else, besides it is not like they are challenged at all unlike say in England, Italy, or even Spain somewhat.

Does anyone think any Coach will be able to tell Neymar what to do? He's there for one purpose and one purpose only, his arrogance and to prove he is better than Messi. Which is laughable.

For Paris Saint-Germain, there has been no development. The lessons of last season have not been learned. All the flaws that undid PSG against Real Madrid in last season’s last 16 were there again at Anfield on Tuesday. Leaving three forwards high up the pitch to float about and occasionally pull off a trick may be enough in Ligue 1 – given PSG have begun the season with five straight wins and have scored at least three goals in every game, it demonstrably is – but it is no way to play against proper opposition. The Air Jordan branding may be intended to add an extra shot of glamour, but in context it appears to say little more than, “please nutmeg me while I appeal half-heartedly for offside.”

There is an irony to this, of course, that PSG’s domination of the French league is precisely what prevents them being truly competitive in Europe. This is the great paradox of the financial structures of the modern game and it one of the factors that will probably lead, sooner rather than later, to some sort of pan-national super-league. When there is no challenge, it’s only natural complacency sets in. When there are no predators at home, why would you flee the red-faced men with sticks and guns? When there is no peril in your league, why would you bother to track Trent Alexander-Arnold?

Is Thomas Tuchel happy with this? This, after all, is a man who grew up in the hard-pressing world of the Bundesliga. He was regarded as the new Jürgen Klopp, a manager forged at a similar school. He is somebody who dined with Pep Guardiola after his Dortmund side had lost 5-1 to Bayern, whose love of the theory of juego de posición outweighed the sting of defeat. There can be no version of that conception of the game that features three men standing 50 yards upfield from their midfield, barely raising a jog as a defender surges past them again. PSG football is not Tuchel football; it may not even be football.


Source
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WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-19 14:58:09
September 19 2018 14:55 GMT
#659
PSG is Qatar's toy to look better internationally. A Neymar is worth 10 less marketable world class players, that's why there was noooo way he'd leave to Real this summer or even the next.

Even if they're taking marketing over sports, I think they could perform much better. I think they'd need a coach with a lot of cachet and charisma. Tuchel has charisma but no experience, Emery had tactics but no personality, and let's not talk about Blanc. Ancelotti was it, but they fd up.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 19 2018 15:01 GMT
#660
Think Roman is friends with Ramadani as well, rumored was he was hired to try get the double deal from Juventus.

But i see there is issues in PSG which could be very bad for the club in the future, if everyone starts fighting each other for power, the owners might just get rid of all or even worst just leave themselves. It is a bad one that!
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