EPTThe Raptors have played 33 games so far... 17 against the west with 2 pacific coast road trips and 13 home games. its all downhill from here.
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17007 Posts
The Raptors have played 33 games so far... 17 against the west with 2 pacific coast road trips and 13 home games. its all downhill from here. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On December 30 2017 01:05 JimmiC wrote: They are hoping OG the rookie can be that glue guy. He has had some decent games on the offensive end and works hard on the D end. I actually think the raps have a great bench they have a bunch of guys who come out work hard and play with a ton of energy. When i watch the twolves and the bench players come on you get that, how long can they last and not give up too much. With the raps the bench can often build leads or at least add energy. The one down player so far is powell, last year he was what OG is this year but with more consistent offense. If thwy could get him rolling again they could be a scary team in the east. Right now they are IMO in the top tier of the east with the cavs and celts, but 3rd. Cavs are weird though. They can be top 2-3 or even controversial #1, or could be #20. They could be dead star of old has beens, including lebron, or a monster in slumber. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On December 30 2017 01:09 Ace wrote: I thought it was a great game. Insane ending. Refs screwed Houston long before the comedy at the end. Nene and EJ got mugged plenty of times. That being said Harden screwed up. Before the first foul, which was a Marcus Smart flop, Ariza was inbounding. Harden didn't run to the ball. He was RIGHT THERE and didn't break loose. He might have been tired but...damn. That was literally game over. Instead Ariza has to burn their last timeout. For those who complain about Dantoni using a short rotation - this is why. Green, Webber, and Ryno playing center for long minutes are fucking disastrous. Don't think any one person is to blame for this loss like most people are saying. Lots of things happened, and having only 2 refs on the court led to some terrible calls in the 2nd half. Good game overall. And he didnt even have to be that aggressive to get the ball, Gordon was clearing it already. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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i found a pretty good article about the Timberwolves who've grown the most this year. I'm not too surprised to see Tyus Jones as #1. https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2017/12/24/5-timberwolves-players-shown-early-growth-season/ On December 30 2017 01:40 JimmiC wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 30 2017 01:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya. all i did in my posts was talk about how D'antoni didn't use his bench. /s The Raptors have played 33 games so far... 17 against the west with 2 pacific coast road trips and 13 home games. its all downhill from here. I was responding to ace not you, your post just ninja'd in there. By popular request despite your baiting with stupid shit ill just ignore you again. Your "pm" where you promise to go through the plays but instead admit you only read the box score was enough to show that ontop of the misinformation you flat out lie. Talking to you is pointless. i thought you were ignoring me. you keep on saying you're ignoring me and then you respond instantly to my posts. i edit a post 1 minute after posting but its too late you've already replied. pretty weird man. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On December 30 2017 01:42 JimmiC wrote: Hard to know with them till we see IT for 20 games. Right now if LBJ even twists and ankle they are fucked. But if he keeps playing at this level they should at least be east favorites. Will IT even be the playmaking scorer they want him to be? I doubt LBJ gives up that role, or else he will be useless. And then they have DWade and DRose. I don't know how to properly evaluate this team. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 30 2017 01:38 Twinkle Toes wrote: And he didnt even have to be that aggressive to get the ball, Gordon was clearing it already. Which makes it all the more disastrous lol. Think Smart made him so frustrated he just checked out. | ||
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JimmiC
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Twinkle Toes
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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particularly #4. about how posting up is a lot harder due to removal of illegal defense rules. and #10 about a guy i've been talking about for a while : Tyus Jones. The starters with Jones in Jeff Teague's place have outperformed the actual starters. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21906021/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-warriors-thunder-nba i guess great minds think alike. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Basically, what happened in the NBA was that the Bad Boys Pistons were like the 2015 Warriors. They "solved" the ruleset at the time. You could brutalize the other teams' best offensive players on the wing, and just grind out games. Every team after that played nasty defense. In fact, most good teams were just plain ugly. Houston was ugly, the Knicks were ugly, the Heat were ugly, the Spurs were ugly, the Jailblazers & Sonics were ugly, the 2nd incarnation of the Pistons with the Wallace boys was ugly. The Bulls & the Lakers were the outliers in that they were actually exciting to watch and were winning. By way of comparison, the Bulls doing what they did would be like the 76ers starting a dynasty next year with Simmons & Fultz shooting almost no 3s, but just dominating with midrange jumpers & Embiid being an elite post man. Then the Lakers would be like that, but with Fultz competent at 3s. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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so i'm surprised by something like this. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21912308/serge-ibaka-toronto-raptors-suspended-friday-game this is a great way to give a guy a "rest day". Popovich can just start claiming his best guys keep punching out the waterboy. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On December 30 2017 07:23 cLutZ wrote: I thought everyone knew that the post-Pistons rule changes make the game unrecognizable. FFS, Steve Nash immediately won back-to-back MVPs. Basically, what happened in the NBA was that the Bad Boys Pistons were like the 2015 Warriors. They "solved" the ruleset at the time. You could brutalize the other teams' best offensive players on the wing, and just grind out games. Every team after that played nasty defense. In fact, most good teams were just plain ugly. Houston was ugly, the Knicks were ugly, the Heat were ugly, the Spurs were ugly, the Jailblazers & Sonics were ugly, the 2nd incarnation of the Pistons with the Wallace boys was ugly. The Bulls & the Lakers were the outliers in that they were actually exciting to watch and were winning. By way of comparison, the Bulls doing what they did would be like the 76ers starting a dynasty next year with Simmons & Fultz shooting almost no 3s, but just dominating with midrange jumpers & Embiid being an elite post man. Then the Lakers would be like that, but with Fultz competent at 3s. Would it be fair to summarize the point as great defensive teams with at least goodish offense will always dominate? Problem with these for the NBA is that as you say it makes the game look very ugly. So the NBA had to adjust the ruleset to allow great offense and scoring to flourish while teams can still reasonably defend. Because unless its some dramatic chasedown block, no one watches the NBA because of the traps and rotations and whatever else defensive schemes. Sixers outsitting the Cavs in the East would be the stuff of my wildest dreams! But I still think the West are the power house in the NBA, but the East are closing in with DeRozan Raptors, Boston, Sixers, and Bucks. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17007 Posts
Now this, http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21906021/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-warriors-thunder-nba Tatum is good enough as it is. No need to let him walk through 3 defenders. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 30 2017 08:45 Twinkle Toes wrote: Would it be fair to summarize the point as great defensive teams with at least goodish offense will always dominate? Problem with these for the NBA is that as you say it makes the game look very ugly. So the NBA had to adjust the ruleset to allow great offense and scoring to flourish while teams can still reasonably defend. Because unless its some dramatic chasedown block, no one watches the NBA because of the traps and rotations and whatever else defensive schemes. Sixers outsitting the Cavs in the East would be the stuff of my wildest dreams! But I still think the West are the power house in the NBA, but the East are closing in with DeRozan Raptors, Boston, Sixers, and Bucks. I don't think that was my point. My point was that it should be obvious to everyone how different the 90s NBA and 2010s NBA has been, and that it is mostly due to rule changes (I would concede that the NBA had to make some changes because of how boring it had become in 2004 due to defense, but I'd also argue that the 3-PT shot is just as boring and the rules should be adjusted to fix that as well). My other point is that although people really remember the Bulls as the "Team of the 90s", they didn't define the era, they were the exception. The Pistons of the 80s and early 2000s actually defined the era, as it was generally an era of defensive big men, grinding inside for post points, hard fouls, etc. Some people might even argue the Lakers were ugly, but I loved Shaq's hilarious bowling ball style. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On December 30 2017 09:01 cLutZ wrote: I don't think that was my point. My point was that it should be obvious to everyone how different the 90s NBA and 2010s NBA has been, and that it is mostly due to rule changes (I would concede that the NBA had to make some changes because of how boring it had become in 2004 due to defense, but I'd also argue that the 3-PT shot is just as boring and the rules should be adjusted to fix that as well). My other point is that although people really remember the Bulls as the "Team of the 90s", they didn't define the era, they were the exception. The Pistons of the 80s and early 2000s actually defined the era, as it was generally an era of defensive big men, grinding inside for post points, hard fouls, etc. Some people might even argue the Lakers were ugly, but I loved Shaq's hilarious bowling ball style. Ok I see. I just focused too much on the defensive point of your statement. What you say about Jordan Bulls as the outlier is so true. It was the era of defensive big men and back em down, clog the post game, Jordan and Pip broke that trend both in the defensive and offensive categories. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On December 30 2017 03:31 JimmiC wrote: Thats going to be fun to watch because it could certainly blow up in their faces. The trade deadline will also be interesting. This is shaping up as a great year. 4 legit challengers to gsw in the east and 2 to the cavs in the east. With maybe a couple others showing up. But i still think whoever makes it from the west will be the big favorite unless they are banged up from the tougher path. This is a no brainer. Since post Jordan NBA, the West has always been the favorite, and the East is practically a gimme for LBJ, which is why he is able to make the finals a record number of times. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
The East had... Cavs and all the rest are wanna be B-Teams | ||
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