EPTNBA Season 2017-2018 - Page 70
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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JimmyJRaynor
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If i'm a houston fan i'd be worried about Harden doing this again when things get tough in front of a tough, noisy crowd. On December 29 2017 12:58 JimmiC wrote: Edit: you didnt pm me and i wont flood the thread any more. But please stop pretending you watched the game tonight. And why you so convinced to blaim wiggins. I thought he was just slightly below average? this is pretty silly. u got a pM and responded to it. as i've already stated. KAT is the worst defender on the team. Wiggins is a below average defender. I've never strayed from that. Your "he defended like a beast" comment is off base. i disagree with that. Wiggins wasn't very good on defense against Denver which is why he had the worst defensive rating on the team in the Denver game. Was he the worst defender that night? that is debatable. But, "played defense like a beast". no, he didn't do that. you can't have a defensive rating of 129 against an OK offensive team while having the worst rating on the team .. and have defended well that night. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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On December 29 2017 13:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: you got ur PM dude. don't PM me back like that other idiot does. Referring to my missent PM to you that got me banned but unbanned after I clarified myself. Look JJ, I don't like drama and garbage. I have long since ignored you, so stay away from me ok. JimmiC really should have a statue built for him for still talking to you. Anyways, Harden is regressing to his old playoff choking mode again... He should correct this asap for them to be legit challengers to the Warriors. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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anyhow , back to basketball.... here is Harden's meltdown https://streamable.com/b9fe0 | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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On December 29 2017 13:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote: says the guy who sends me PMs for months when i tell him not to PM me. LIAR. At least we now have evidence on record of you blatantly lying that you can't weasel out of. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/LZU8rj5.png) for months? It was 3 PMs in the span of 2 hours (actually could have been 30 mins, I logged out after the first PM because I thought that was it) on one topic - I was asking you to come clean and at least try to respond to those asking you about your "stats". To be honest, something is wrong with you. I leave you alone to your shit, so stay away from me. Is Harden tired or really dull to be committing these mistakes? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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"these 2 teams don't like each other". fun game. that Napier pass was sweet.  Miller makes a good point that the 76ers should be passing it deep into the post to Embiid to pressure Nurkic who is on 5 fouls. 3 big comebacks tonight. all-in-all a really fun night of basketball. On December 29 2017 14:24 Twinkle Toes wrote: LIAR. At least we now have evidence on record of you blatantly lying that you can't weasel out of. no, you've PM-ed me off-and-on for months in the face of repeated requests by me that you no longer PM me. Since you've proclaimed you are no longer PM-ing me this discussion is moot. So i'm happy. you said you want to ignore me. please do so. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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On December 29 2017 14:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no, you've PM-ed me off-and-on for months in the face of repeated requests by me that you no longer PM me. You are sick in the head JJ. Check your PMs. Mods can check my PMs. Those were the ONLY times I PMed you, 3 times in the span of 2 hours, because I was tired of all the bullshit and I wanted topics to be reasonably discussed and not have them brought up every other day without them getting resolved. I have been ignoring you for some time now. I just want to tell you what is very clear for all to see. You lied and are incapable of a admitting to your mistake. Don't reply anymore. Bye. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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I mean Harden was stupid, but the last 2 fouls could have been no calls, and had direct effects on the final score. Can teams protest? And what happens during protests? And by the way what happened to the houston-Clippers protest? | ||
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Yaqoob
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I check this thread quite frequently on a daily basis in the morning, and after good NBA matches or hyped matches. I've been following GSW for a few years now, and try to catch all their games. Other than GSW games, during the season I'll watch any games that catch my eye like for example, OKC vs Knicks, OKC vs HOU, MIN vs CHI, CAV vs BOS etc. I'll normally check scores on ESPN and if a game is pretty close, than I'll load the stream via reddit. Obviously, being from Canada makes me a default Raptors fan as well. During the playoffs, I try to catch more games than normal which I assume is the norm for most NBA fans lol Anyways, I haven't been posting on TL as much as I used to but I as I said, I do check this thread frequently but I feel these ongoing debates, even though they are about NBA players and stats etc, are detrimental to this thread quality lol. Its somewhat annoying going through 3 pages of just the same stuff over and over. This is just my opinion. @Twinkle Toes I think the first call could possible be called a flop. I'm not 100% sure because in this season, they have been sometimes giving technicals for elbows to the face when wrestling away the ball etc (against Melo, and I think in their next game, westbrook got an elbow in the face - whether he flopped or not can be debated but I can't remember if the other player got a tech or not) and this was obviously a downgrade in that. It just seems they have been more harsh for plays similar to this and its hard to see from that angle whether Marcus flopped or not or had contact. Also, harden is the king of drawing fouls/contact so a bit ironic seeing it happen to him. Harden was having a bad shooting night and I think that Marcus Smart got in his head (kinda like Lonzo Ball vs Beverly), because even if the 1st call was possibly a flop, the second time around, Harden should've gone around Marcus. Why in the world was he just shoving Marcus again and again. It just shows that he wasn't thinking and was probably pissed about the 1st call against him, his poor shooting, 8 turnovers etc I think teams should be able to protest during flops. I'm a big fan of GSW but I used to hate watching Anderson Varejao cause he would flop so much. I know its part of the game, but its super annoying to watch. I don't want Soccer flopping to enter the NBA. Zaza flops a bit as well but not as much as Varejao used to lol | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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Anyways, I haven't been posting on TL as much as I used to but I as I said, I do check this thread frequently but I feel these ongoing debates, even though they are about NBA players and stats etc, are detrimental to this thread quality lol. Its somewhat annoying going through 3 pages of just the same stuff over and over. This is just my opinion. I kinda agree. As i said, debates are always welcome, as long as they aim to resolve the issues we debate upon. The problem, notwithstanding the fact that we are not experts on this matter, is that not everyone wants to have an actual discussion, and it has gotten personal. If only people were capable of making clear and reasonable claims, and then supporting those claims, and at the same time challenge other people's claims with equal vigor and respect, then we can debate all day all night even with the most arbitrary stats. I think the first call could possible be called a flop. I'm not 100% sure because in this season... I agree. I mean with Harden's experience and skills, he was beyond stupid to get caught up in this kind of tangle. Smart was getting physical with him all night long without budging, and suddenly, in the most important moment of the game he falls/flops (at some point, the refs have to be aware of this right?). Then Harden elbows and shoves him and proceeds to steamroll him for the second foul (with some flopping as well), but Harden needs to correct this asap. Refs have to be on the active lookout for these flops during end of regulation plays. | ||
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Yaqoob
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Also, It might've been westbrook that had got the technical when wrestling the ball away from someone. I can't remember lol. For some reason, Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins also comes to mind when I'm trying to remember techs issued for elbows during this season (some of them leading to 'flops). | ||
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farvacola
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On December 29 2017 17:21 Yaqoob wrote: @Thread - Intro I check this thread quite frequently on a daily basis in the morning, and after good NBA matches or hyped matches. I've been following GSW for a few years now, and try to catch all their games. Other than GSW games, during the season I'll watch any games that catch my eye like for example, OKC vs Knicks, OKC vs HOU, MIN vs CHI, CAV vs BOS etc. I'll normally check scores on ESPN and if a game is pretty close, than I'll load the stream via reddit. Obviously, being from Canada makes me a default Raptors fan as well. During the playoffs, I try to catch more games than normal which I assume is the norm for most NBA fans lol Anyways, I haven't been posting on TL as much as I used to but I as I said, I do check this thread frequently but I feel these ongoing debates, even though they are about NBA players and stats etc, are detrimental to this thread quality lol. Its somewhat annoying going through 3 pages of just the same stuff over and over. This is just my opinion. @Twinkle Toes I think the first call could possible be called a flop. I'm not 100% sure because in this season, they have been sometimes giving technicals for elbows to the face when wrestling away the ball etc (against Melo, and I think in their next game, westbrook got an elbow in the face - whether he flopped or not can be debated but I can't remember if the other player got a tech or not) and this was obviously a downgrade in that. It just seems they have been more harsh for plays similar to this and its hard to see from that angle whether Marcus flopped or not or had contact. Also, harden is the king of drawing fouls/contact so a bit ironic seeing it happen to him. Harden was having a bad shooting night and I think that Marcus Smart got in his head (kinda like Lonzo Ball vs Beverly), because even if the 1st call was possibly a flop, the second time around, Harden should've gone around Marcus. Why in the world was he just shoving Marcus again and again. It just shows that he wasn't thinking and was probably pissed about the 1st call against him, his poor shooting, 8 turnovers etc I think teams should be able to protest during flops. I'm a big fan of GSW but I used to hate watching Anderson Varejao cause he would flop so much. I know its part of the game, but its super annoying to watch. I don't want Soccer flopping to enter the NBA. Zaza flops a bit as well but not as much as Varejao used to lol You're not alone, I subscribe to this thread to see what folks are saying about last night's games, but man is there a lot of garbage to Dwayne Wade through...  | ||
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JimmiC
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Twinkle Toes
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I'm a big fan of his game, sweet no hesi jimbo and Kobe-esque footwork. After years of being in the wrong side of advanced analytics despite being good visually, he is finally doing well on all ends. Raptors need 1 more key glue player to be contenders in the East. Elite Raptors DeRozan as a polarizing player | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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On December 29 2017 23:31 JimmiC wrote: Harden raged about their only being 2 refs a bunch after. I only watched the finish because i was watching the other game but it didnt look to bad. Maybe it was buildup from being harassed all game? Yes. Smart was roughing him up all night long. I think he was tired and frustrated and the first offensive foul enraged him. He was locking and elbowing Smart to the chest before after the Horford goal and finally decided to bulldoze Smart for teh the second foul. Bad bad judgment by Harden. | ||
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Ace
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That being said Harden screwed up. Before the first foul, which was a Marcus Smart flop, Ariza was inbounding. Harden didn't run to the ball. He was RIGHT THERE and didn't break loose. He might have been tired but...damn. That was literally game over. Instead Ariza has to burn their last timeout. For those who complain about Dantoni using a short rotation - this is why. Green, Webber, and Ryno playing center for long minutes are fucking disastrous. Don't think any one person is to blame for this loss like most people are saying. Lots of things happened, and having only 2 refs on the court led to some terrible calls in the 2nd half. Good game overall. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On December 30 2017 01:09 Ace wrote: I thought it was a great game. Insane ending. Refs screwed Houston long before the comedy at the end. Nene and EJ got mugged plenty of times. That being said Harden screwed up. Before the first foul, which was a Marcus Smart flop, Ariza was inbounding. Harden didn't run to the ball. He was RIGHT THERE and didn't break loose. He might have been tired but...damn. That was literally game over. Instead Ariza has to burn their last timeout. true. that said, weren't there only 2 referees? stuff is gonna get missed. smart move by Boston to get extra physical knowing stuff wouldn't get called. here is what D'antoni said about Tatum “I think he’s really good, first of all,” he said. “I’m trying to think what I can say without it being tampering. He’s really good and for a rookie, he plays like he’s been in the league for 10 years. He’s going to be a solid if not All-Star level type player for a long, long time. There’s actually nothing he can’t do.” | ||
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