• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:00
CET 04:00
KST 12:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - RO16 Preview3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational10SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)20Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 [Short Story] The Last GSL Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey!
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Fantasy's Q&A video BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1294 users

NBA Season 2017-2018 - Page 72

Forum Index > Sports
Post a Reply
Prev 1 70 71 72 73 74 143 Next
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-30 00:32:25
December 30 2017 00:28 GMT
#1421
DeRozan elite stats

[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 30 2017 00:41 GMT
#1422
--- Nuked ---
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-30 00:42:59
December 30 2017 00:41 GMT
#1423
--- Nuked ---
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17206 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-30 01:06:12
December 30 2017 00:44 GMT
#1424
CN Tower looking awesome tonight.

ouch
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751532-jusuf-nurkic-says-joel-embiid-tries-to-be-more-famous-than-a-player?share=other

i think Casey should leave the bench out there until Atlanta cuts into the lead that the bench created.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3346 Posts
December 30 2017 01:05 GMT
#1425
I just watched the first half of HOU vs WSH and I honestly hate the way Harden plays. I know a lot of the PG's do it nowadays but he throws his hands up so much trying to draw a foul or contact that its annoying to watch at times.
김택용 Fighting!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 30 2017 01:12 GMT
#1426
--- Nuked ---
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17206 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-30 02:25:07
December 30 2017 01:14 GMT
#1427
i think its really cool that Casey lets Siakam continue to learn to shoot the 3. he is something like 3 for 30 in the last few weeks or something stupid like that.

Siakam's learning experience probably cost them a game or 2... but who cares about the regular season any way.

i like Casey/Ujiri's high-risk/high-reward develop the team for a very high ceiling mindset. If it means they lose a few regular season games along the way and a few guys have bad boxscore stats.. .who cares.

OG and Delon... best defenders on the team.

uhhh i hope Delon didn't fuck up his right wrist.

i just fucking love it when Delon blocks the jump shot of a 7 footer.. he blocked Dirk twice.. now whoever that was on Atlanta... LOL.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
December 30 2017 02:12 GMT
#1428
Speaking of prime, I think Shaq is correct when he said if he played today, he could demand $300/3 years.
Which is why Howard is suck a tragedy. He was supposed to be an upgrade to Shaq, but he ended up being just a lazy entitled baby making fool.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-30 02:17:30
December 30 2017 02:16 GMT
#1429
On December 30 2017 10:12 JimmiC wrote:
it does get annoying, I think since he is so known for it it sometimes leads to him not getting calls maybe he should as well. Or at least I hope that is happening since it s so clear that he is trying to draw the foul not score. And he even does it on 3's!

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/5/5/15542952/james-harden-foul-threes-over-screen-rockets

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/james-harden-draws-a-ridiculous-foul/

I just watched a Harden offseason training video, focusing on getting difficult offscreen and threes and getting fouls amidst contact. I don't blame or hate him, it's ugly and 50+ FTAs per game is ridiculous, but I think it's all on the refs to be consistent and to decide which are actual fouls and which are made up ones.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17206 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-30 02:46:28
December 30 2017 02:31 GMT
#1430
"a little free Pizza Mattie D!", Jack Armstrong

Casey should put the bench out there again... the starters are sleep walking.

casey pulls the trigger and puts his 2 defensive stoppers into the game.. OG and Delon.

Delon Wright was the best player tonight.. in general the starters were "meh". Freddy and Delon really work well together.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 30 2017 02:53 GMT
#1431
--- Nuked ---
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-30 03:07:44
December 30 2017 03:07 GMT
#1432
On December 30 2017 11:53 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2017 11:16 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On December 30 2017 10:12 JimmiC wrote:
it does get annoying, I think since he is so known for it it sometimes leads to him not getting calls maybe he should as well. Or at least I hope that is happening since it s so clear that he is trying to draw the foul not score. And he even does it on 3's!

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/5/5/15542952/james-harden-foul-threes-over-screen-rockets

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/james-harden-draws-a-ridiculous-foul/

I just watched a Harden offseason training video, focusing on getting difficult offscreen and threes and getting fouls amidst contact. I don't blame or hate him, it's ugly and 50+ FTAs per game is ridiculous, but I think it's all on the refs to be consistent and to decide which are actual fouls and which are made up ones.


You got to do everything you can as a player to get a edge, use the rules to your advantage, so I get it. But as a viewer it is not fun to watch a foul fest.

Can't be denied though, Harden is an offensive beast. He can score from anywhere and makes it look so easy, that's why I really don't mind all the trickery.

Did you watch the games? Delon and OG are defensive beasts!!! Casey is a genius!
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 30 2017 03:10 GMT
#1433
--- Nuked ---
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17206 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-30 03:48:53
December 30 2017 03:23 GMT
#1434
did Giannis step out of bounds? LOL.
On December 30 2017 12:10 JimmiC wrote:
I did Raps totally outclassed the Hawks. Lowry solid as usual bench got tons of run because the hawks are so bad.

the bench got lots of run because of the lead they created. the Derozan+Bench lineup did well as well.
Lowry was "meh" and his -2 and 5/15 against a crap Atlanta team describes his performance well.

Delon outplayed Lowry by a big margin tonight.

no idea what game you were watchin'

Giannis looks out of bounds to me. OKC got hosed. i guess this will come out in the referees 2 minute report.
[image loading]

PG13 ain't happy about it. 8000 likes in 20 minutes.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
December 30 2017 09:06 GMT
#1435
On December 30 2017 10:12 JimmiC wrote:
it does get annoying, I think since he is so known for it it sometimes leads to him not getting calls maybe he should as well. Or at least I hope that is happening since it s so clear that he is trying to draw the foul not score. And he even does it on 3's!

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/5/5/15542952/james-harden-foul-threes-over-screen-rockets

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/james-harden-draws-a-ridiculous-foul/


I think the most egregious stuff he does is shit like this:



It's one thing to exaggerate contact to get a call you feel you deserve, it's a whole other thing to hook a player's arm and manufacture contact that wouldn't have existed otherwise. You have to give it to him though, he found an exploit in the game and he's taking full advantage of it. I'd say he's truly an innovator. He's possibly the first person that thought of driving to the basket with the goal of getting to the free throw line instead of making a shot. Getting to the line is going to net him more points than any other shot unless it's a 2pt FGA that he makes 85%~ of the time or a 3 that he makes 60%~ of the time.

Harden is easily the GOAT FT getter as evidenced by:

-NBA made a rule change because of the way he was drawing fouls on 3-pointers last season
-Got fouled on more 3PA last season than any other NBA team
-Ranked #270 in all-time FGM but ranked #56 in all-time FTM
-A season with 700+ made FTs has only been done 6 times in the last 29 years, 3 of them are by James Harden in his last 3 seasons and he's on pace to do it again this season
-Has made more FTs than FGs. I haven't done much research but I would bet that James Harden is the only player in the history of basketball to make more FTs than FGs.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
December 30 2017 12:10 GMT
#1436
@ BlackJack I agree in essence, but there are rules and there are referees to interpret and implement those rules. It is no different than the other "tricks" to get some advantage like the extra 1-2 steps on drives and eurosteps, the sneaky arm lock away from ref's vision during rebounds, the gentle push offs, and others. Harden's foul-baiting is just more blatantly obvious with direct immediate effect (free throws) and that's why it's getting more attention than the others.

I think the solution is:

1. Referees to be very extra super keen on this and other shit like this - like flopping, tech baiting (like Calderon to Durant a while ago), and traveling
2. Players need to learn to defend better without doing amateur arm reaching and flailing. This is a hard ask I know, but think SAS in last year's series vs. the Rockets, or to be specific think Iguodala, Ariza, or Kidd. If players could raise their defensive IQ close to that level, then it will all be for good for NBA. Harden is exposing a basketball vulnerability in the same manner that Kyrie and Curry are with their video-game level dribbling, and Curry with his three point shots. You have to address it specifically by improving as a defender.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
December 30 2017 12:32 GMT
#1437
[image loading]

Right under the ref's nose too. Shouldn't this be like SOP for refs to look out for in situations like this? Our lone ref in pick up games at the Y spots lane violations like this from across the center court ezpz. Refs are getting a lot of unnecessary attention so early in the season.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
December 30 2017 14:45 GMT
#1438
On December 30 2017 07:23 cLutZ wrote:
I thought everyone knew that the post-Pistons rule changes make the game unrecognizable. FFS, Steve Nash immediately won back-to-back MVPs.

Basically, what happened in the NBA was that the Bad Boys Pistons were like the 2015 Warriors. They "solved" the ruleset at the time. You could brutalize the other teams' best offensive players on the wing, and just grind out games. Every team after that played nasty defense. In fact, most good teams were just plain ugly. Houston was ugly, the Knicks were ugly, the Heat were ugly, the Spurs were ugly, the Jailblazers & Sonics were ugly, the 2nd incarnation of the Pistons with the Wallace boys was ugly. The Bulls & the Lakers were the outliers in that they were actually exciting to watch and were winning. By way of comparison, the Bulls doing what they did would be like the 76ers starting a dynasty next year with Simmons & Fultz shooting almost no 3s, but just dominating with midrange jumpers & Embiid being an elite post man. Then the Lakers would be like that, but with Fultz competent at 3s.



I stumbled across this video earlier last week about how Illegal Defense may have helped MJ score a ton of his points (free drives to the basket, basically). Thought it was really interesting. Especially because I didn't start watching basketball until the 2001-2002 season specifically because of what an ugly game it was before then. Caught a game one night while stoned and discovered that I suddenly enjoyed watching a game with lots of ball movement and a more entertaining "flow." (still hated the last 2 minute foul-fest though) Anyway, since Illegal Defense has come up, I thought I'd share. In spoilers for you cLutz!

+ Show Spoiler +
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
December 30 2017 15:30 GMT
#1439
OOOH Finally, notorious Raptor hater Coach Nick gives Raptors some love:

I've been waiting for this video this year. Usually he waits until they hit a slump to poop all over the Toronto parade after their hot start every year.

His ad-game on point too.

+ Show Spoiler +
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-30 15:45:27
December 30 2017 15:36 GMT
#1440
--- Nuked ---
Prev 1 70 71 72 73 74 143 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Rongyi Cup S3 - Group A
CranKy Ducklings136
Liquipedia
The PiG Daily
21:20
Best Games of SC
ByuN vs Solar
herO vs Classic
Reynor vs Cure
Solar vs herO
PiGStarcraft664
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft664
NeuroSwarm 122
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 355
NaDa 53
Noble 37
Icarus 2
Dota 2
monkeys_forever160
League of Legends
C9.Mang0373
Counter-Strike
minikerr18
Other Games
tarik_tv18250
gofns11662
summit1g5095
JimRising 490
ToD174
ViBE158
Hui .84
KnowMe46
ZombieGrub37
Liquid`Ken1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1710
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta34
• HeavenSC 30
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5172
• Scarra952
Upcoming Events
RongYI Cup
8h
SHIN vs Creator
Classic vs Percival
OSC
10h
BSL 21
12h
QiaoGege vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Mihu vs TBD
RongYI Cup
1d 8h
Maru vs Cyan
Solar vs Krystianer
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 9h
BSL 21
1d 12h
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
7 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W5
OSC Championship Season 13
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3
Tektek Cup #1
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Acropolis #4 - TS4
Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.