Holy s***, that's actually much worse than I thought. I honestly only heard of it because Kahn said it. I didn't see that part live, I watched like 60% of the game. How in earth that is not a straight red with further punishment of 3-4 games? What a disgrace and a shame they are making of the game, no wonder SOCCER comes around and makes fun of the best game/sport in the world and you can actually do nothing but agree.
I no longer care about the Mo episode, this is much worse and clearly deliberate. Then the cretin throws himself in the ground out of nowhere. He's the same clown that made that penalty on Gremio's Ramiro (when it was still 0-0), the same clown that had a second yellow going for him against Kashima (then the referee saw it was him in a Madrid shirt, and put the second yellow back in his pocket, right before extra time), same guy who won a final with an offside goal, etc etc.
It might take long... but it all comes to light one day. And it's not "God" (at least not in the way it's pictured by people who want/wanted to profit), it's just technology. Well won't even have to take that much, people know what happened in Franco times, that's not how true legends are made, true legends struggle and win, they don't get it handed by Blatter, Adidas or whatever.
On May 29 2018 03:17 palexhur wrote: They are not similar, not comparable, your point is invalid Pr0wler, what Ramos did is 100% intentional , anyone who has played the game knows that.
It doesn't matter how much reasonable logic, or facts you bring to an argument, its fashionable these days to pretend reality is distorted and "fake news" your way out of having made a rubbish comment.
On May 29 2018 03:11 Pr0wler wrote: Well you say that Ramos is nowhere near the play and you are right, but at the same time I can clearly see number 4 from Liverpool shoving Ramos with both hands and quite the force forwards... So "by the games law" as someone said above, this is penalty for Real. As I said I don't think that it's unintentional... I think that there should be no call for reasons stated above.
I would have no problem with penalties being given for that, but they arent and that as you said is fair game. Chucking your elbows into peoples faces and endangering them is not "fair game". There is never any reason even when falling to flex your arm into someones head.
On May 29 2018 05:30 Pr0wler wrote: It's much better to put words in people's mouth(hands in this case), make mind boggling conclusions and base your arguments on that.
Your words are all your own. I suppose the internet is broken.. your in your own reality after all. The reality where launching your elbow into someones face is "fair game"
edit: its like a grownup version of a douche child/teenager game where your friend pushes you and you go and slap the kid you are bullying pretending you got pushed so it was an accident.
On May 29 2018 03:11 Pr0wler wrote: Well you say that Ramos is nowhere near the play and you are right, but at the same time I can clearly see number 4 from Liverpool shoving Ramos with both hands and quite the force forwards... So "by the games law" as someone said above, this is penalty for Real. As I said I don't think that it's unintentional... I think that there should be no call for reasons stated above.
I would have no problem with penalties being given for that, but they arent and that as you said is fair game. Chucking your elbows into peoples faces and endangering them is not "fair game". There is never any reason even when falling to flex your arm into someones head.
On May 29 2018 05:30 Pr0wler wrote: It's much better to put words in people's mouth(hands in this case), make mind boggling conclusions and base your arguments on that.
Your words are all your own. I suppose the internet is broken.. your in your own reality after all. The reality where launching your elbow into someones face is "fair game"
I'm still busy trying to figure out how you end up with the conclusions for that post below... Now I have to figure out where did I say that something is a fair game... I'm pretty sure I never wrote that. I guess "usually not called" and "fair game" is the same. Rebs works in mysterious ways.+ Show Spoiler +
And with 1000 edits per post... quite hard to keep up
On May 29 2018 01:33 Pr0wler wrote: Lol, if it's not ref mistakes, then it's Ramos "intentionally" injuring someone... Ramos just roughed him up a bit, which is normal. Turned out that Salah got injured in the process. Shit happens. About the Karius thing... I can show you clips of Messi doing similar things without a punishment. Contacts like this one usually go unpunished when they happen during corners and fouls. Same with blatant holding, pushing and shoving. Crosses in the penalty area are open season. In perspective, maybe Ramos was trying to help Liverpool by knocking Karius out of the game.
Sorry, Messi flinging his arms in goalkeepers face on purpose?
Please do. It wasnt an accident, Ramos wasnt born yesterday. he understands space. He knew what he was doing.
And its not like what Ramos did to Salah wasnt a foul. He just didnt plan on taking him out of the game is all.
If you are suggesting that we are alluding to the fact that Karius's boneheaded plays were because he did that or that Real would have lost or whatever, well the answer is no. That sort of conjecture is pointless given the nature of the offense.
But if the games laws are followed at the very least Ramos shouldnt have continued in that game. Thats all really.
On May 29 2018 03:11 Pr0wler wrote: Well you say that Ramos is nowhere near the play and you are right, but at the same time I can clearly see number 4 from Liverpool shoving Ramos with both hands and quite the force forwards... So "by the games law" as someone said above, this is penalty for Real. As I said I don't think that it's unintentional... I think that there should be no call for reasons stated above.
I would have no problem with penalties being given for that, but they arent and that as you said is fair game. Chucking your elbows into peoples faces and endangering them is not "fair game". There is never any reason even when falling to flex your arm into someones head.
On May 29 2018 05:30 Pr0wler wrote: It's much better to put words in people's mouth(hands in this case), make mind boggling conclusions and base your arguments on that.
Your words are all your own. I suppose the internet is broken.. your in your own reality after all. The reality where launching your elbow into someones face is "fair game"
I'm still busy trying to figure out how you end up with the conclusions for that post below... Now I have to figure out where did I say that something is a fair game... I'm pretty sure I never wrote that. I guess "usually not called" and "fair game" is the same. Rebs works in mysterious ways.+ Show Spoiler +
And with 1000 edits per post... quite hard to keep up
On May 29 2018 01:33 Pr0wler wrote: Lol, if it's not ref mistakes, then it's Ramos "intentionally" injuring someone... Ramos just roughed him up a bit, which is normal. Turned out that Salah got injured in the process. Shit happens. About the Karius thing... I can show you clips of Messi doing similar things without a punishment. Contacts like this one usually go unpunished when they happen during corners and fouls. Same with blatant holding, pushing and shoving. Crosses in the penalty area are open season. In perspective, maybe Ramos was trying to help Liverpool by knocking Karius out of the game.
Sorry, Messi flinging his arms in goalkeepers face on purpose?
Please do. It wasnt an accident, Ramos wasnt born yesterday. he understands space. He knew what he was doing.
And its not like what Ramos did to Salah wasnt a foul. He just didnt plan on taking him out of the game is all.
If you are suggesting that we are alluding to the fact that Karius's boneheaded plays were because he did that or that Real would have lost or whatever, well the answer is no. That sort of conjecture is pointless given the nature of the offense.
But if the games laws are followed at the very least Ramos shouldnt have continued in that game. Thats all really.
Regarding the quote below
Oh my, I do apologize for conflating the terms "Open season" and "fair game". I should've known better. That is indeed putting words in someones mouth and I do apologize. The use of the term Open Season is far worse, given its relationship to Hunting., but thats not really a debate I want to get into with someone who will just hide behind an invisible straw man.
Also the first bolded part is factually incorrect. Given the general nature of player reactions in the game today limbs hitting faces tend to draw controversy and reactions. So this sort of contact doesnt fall in the same league as "Holding, pushing and shoving."
You are trying to brush off and normalize something that isnt normal. Which is a rather remarkable similarity to a certain style that has become popular these days.
I wouldnt blame you for not trying to figure out things, that can be difficult when reality is a blur.
On May 29 2018 01:33 Pr0wler wrote: Lol, if it's not ref mistakes, then it's Ramos "intentionally" injuring someone... Ramos just roughed him up a bit, which is normal. Turned out that Salah got injured in the process. Shit happens. About the Karius thing... I can show you clips of Messi doing similar things without a punishment. Contacts like this one usually go unpunished when they happen during corners and fouls. Same with blatant holding, pushing and shoving. Crosses in the penalty area are open season. In perspective, maybe Ramos was trying to help Liverpool by knocking Karius out of the game.
On May 29 2018 03:11 Pr0wler wrote: Well you say that Ramos is nowhere near the play and you are right, but at the same time I can clearly see number 4 from Liverpool shoving Ramos with both hands and quite the force forwards... So "by the games law" as someone said above, this is penalty for Real. As I said I don't think that it's unintentional... I think that there should be no call for reasons stated above.
I would have no problem with penalties being given for that, but they arent and that as you said is fair game. Chucking your elbows into peoples faces and endangering them is not "fair game". There is never any reason even when falling to flex your arm into someones head.
On May 29 2018 05:30 Pr0wler wrote: It's much better to put words in people's mouth(hands in this case), make mind boggling conclusions and base your arguments on that.
Your words are all your own. I suppose the internet is broken.. your in your own reality after all. The reality where launching your elbow into someones face is "fair game"
I'm still busy trying to figure out how you end up with the conclusions for that post below... Now I have to figure out where did I say that something is a fair game... I'm pretty sure I never wrote that. I guess "usually not called" and "fair game" is the same. Rebs works in mysterious ways.+ Show Spoiler +
And with 1000 edits per post... quite hard to keep up
And to be clear I'm not actually trying to figure out anything, this is a joke
On May 29 2018 01:44 Rebs wrote:
On May 29 2018 01:33 Pr0wler wrote: Lol, if it's not ref mistakes, then it's Ramos "intentionally" injuring someone... Ramos just roughed him up a bit, which is normal. Turned out that Salah got injured in the process. Shit happens. About the Karius thing... I can show you clips of Messi doing similar things without a punishment. Contacts like this one usually go unpunished when they happen during corners and fouls. Same with blatant holding, pushing and shoving. Crosses in the penalty area are open season. In perspective, maybe Ramos was trying to help Liverpool by knocking Karius out of the game.
Sorry, Messi flinging his arms in goalkeepers face on purpose?
Please do. It wasnt an accident, Ramos wasnt born yesterday. he understands space. He knew what he was doing.
And its not like what Ramos did to Salah wasnt a foul. He just didnt plan on taking him out of the game is all.
If you are suggesting that we are alluding to the fact that Karius's boneheaded plays were because he did that or that Real would have lost or whatever, well the answer is no. That sort of conjecture is pointless given the nature of the offense.
But if the games laws are followed at the very least Ramos shouldnt have continued in that game. Thats all really.
Regarding the quote below
Oh my, I do apologize for conflating the terms "Open season" and "fair game". I should've known better. That is indeed putting words in someones mouth and I do apologize. The use of the term Open Season is far worse, given its relationship to Hunting., but thats not really a debate I want to get into with someone who will just hide behind an invisible straw man.
Also the first bolded part is factually incorrect. Given the general nature of player reactions in the game today limbs hitting faces tend to draw controversy and reactions. So this sort of contact doesnt fall in the same league as "Holding, pushing and shoving."
You are trying to brush off and normalize something that isnt normal. Which is a rather remarkable similarity to a certain style that has become popular these days.
I wouldnt blame you for not trying to figure out things, that can be difficult when reality is a blur.
On May 29 2018 01:33 Pr0wler wrote: Lol, if it's not ref mistakes, then it's Ramos "intentionally" injuring someone... Ramos just roughed him up a bit, which is normal. Turned out that Salah got injured in the process. Shit happens. About the Karius thing... I can show you clips of Messi doing similar things without a punishment. Contacts like this one usually go unpunished when they happen during corners and fouls. Same with blatant holding, pushing and shoving. Crosses in the penalty area are open season. In perspective, maybe Ramos was trying to help Liverpool by knocking Karius out of the game.
The relationship to hunting is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. I partially disagree with you on the second paragraph, but I prefer to not get into detail. Also I think that you are overdramatizing , which is a trend of behaviour over the internet in recent years.
On May 29 2018 03:11 Pr0wler wrote: Well you say that Ramos is nowhere near the play and you are right, but at the same time I can clearly see number 4 from Liverpool shoving Ramos with both hands and quite the force forwards... So "by the games law" as someone said above, this is penalty for Real. As I said I don't think that it's unintentional... I think that there should be no call for reasons stated above.
I would have no problem with penalties being given for that, but they arent and that as you said is fair game. Chucking your elbows into peoples faces and endangering them is not "fair game". There is never any reason even when falling to flex your arm into someones head.
On May 29 2018 05:30 Pr0wler wrote: It's much better to put words in people's mouth(hands in this case), make mind boggling conclusions and base your arguments on that.
Your words are all your own. I suppose the internet is broken.. your in your own reality after all. The reality where launching your elbow into someones face is "fair game"
I'm still busy trying to figure out how you end up with the conclusions for that post below... Now I have to figure out where did I say that something is a fair game... I'm pretty sure I never wrote that. I guess "usually not called" and "fair game" is the same. Rebs works in mysterious ways.+ Show Spoiler +
And with 1000 edits per post... quite hard to keep up
And to be clear I'm not actually trying to figure out anything, this is a joke
On May 29 2018 01:44 Rebs wrote:
On May 29 2018 01:33 Pr0wler wrote: Lol, if it's not ref mistakes, then it's Ramos "intentionally" injuring someone... Ramos just roughed him up a bit, which is normal. Turned out that Salah got injured in the process. Shit happens. About the Karius thing... I can show you clips of Messi doing similar things without a punishment. Contacts like this one usually go unpunished when they happen during corners and fouls. Same with blatant holding, pushing and shoving. Crosses in the penalty area are open season. In perspective, maybe Ramos was trying to help Liverpool by knocking Karius out of the game.
Sorry, Messi flinging his arms in goalkeepers face on purpose?
Please do. It wasnt an accident, Ramos wasnt born yesterday. he understands space. He knew what he was doing.
And its not like what Ramos did to Salah wasnt a foul. He just didnt plan on taking him out of the game is all.
If you are suggesting that we are alluding to the fact that Karius's boneheaded plays were because he did that or that Real would have lost or whatever, well the answer is no. That sort of conjecture is pointless given the nature of the offense.
But if the games laws are followed at the very least Ramos shouldnt have continued in that game. Thats all really.
Regarding the quote below
Oh my, I do apologize for conflating the terms "Open season" and "fair game". I should've known better. That is indeed putting words in someones mouth and I do apologize. The use of the term Open Season is far worse, given its relationship to Hunting., but thats not really a debate I want to get into with someone who will just hide behind an invisible straw man.
Also the first bolded part is factually incorrect. Given the general nature of player reactions in the game today limbs hitting faces tend to draw controversy and reactions. So this sort of contact doesnt fall in the same league as "Holding, pushing and shoving."
You are trying to brush off and normalize something that isnt normal. Which is a rather remarkable similarity to a certain style that has become popular these days.
I wouldnt blame you for not trying to figure out things, that can be difficult when reality is a blur.
On May 29 2018 01:33 Pr0wler wrote: Lol, if it's not ref mistakes, then it's Ramos "intentionally" injuring someone... Ramos just roughed him up a bit, which is normal. Turned out that Salah got injured in the process. Shit happens. About the Karius thing... I can show you clips of Messi doing similar things without a punishment. Contacts like this one usually go unpunished when they happen during corners and fouls. Same with blatant holding, pushing and shoving. Crosses in the penalty area are open season. In perspective, maybe Ramos was trying to help Liverpool by knocking Karius out of the game.
The relationship to hunting is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. I partially disagree with you on the second paragraph, but I prefer to not get into detail. Also I think that you are overdramatizing , which is a trend of behaviour over the internet in recent years.
Fabinho and Kieta will be a mad combo if it works...
Now they only need to get someone to replace Lovren and Karius and Liverpool is top tier no question
Looking at some highlights compilation, Fabihno has a very decent variety of long range passes from deep midfield. He might have some fun target practise with the Firmino, Mane and Salah making those runs.
On May 29 2018 03:11 Pr0wler wrote: Well you say that Ramos is nowhere near the play and you are right, but at the same time I can clearly see number 4 from Liverpool shoving Ramos with both hands and quite the force forwards... So "by the games law" as someone said above, this is penalty for Real. As I said I don't think that it's unintentional... I think that there should be no call for reasons stated above.
I would have no problem with penalties being given for that, but they arent and that as you said is fair game. Chucking your elbows into peoples faces and endangering them is not "fair game". There is never any reason even when falling to flex your arm into someones head.
On May 29 2018 05:30 Pr0wler wrote: It's much better to put words in people's mouth(hands in this case), make mind boggling conclusions and base your arguments on that.
Your words are all your own. I suppose the internet is broken.. your in your own reality after all. The reality where launching your elbow into someones face is "fair game"
I'm still busy trying to figure out how you end up with the conclusions for that post below... Now I have to figure out where did I say that something is a fair game... I'm pretty sure I never wrote that. I guess "usually not called" and "fair game" is the same. Rebs works in mysterious ways.+ Show Spoiler +
And with 1000 edits per post... quite hard to keep up
And to be clear I'm not actually trying to figure out anything, this is a joke
On May 29 2018 01:44 Rebs wrote:
On May 29 2018 01:33 Pr0wler wrote: Lol, if it's not ref mistakes, then it's Ramos "intentionally" injuring someone... Ramos just roughed him up a bit, which is normal. Turned out that Salah got injured in the process. Shit happens. About the Karius thing... I can show you clips of Messi doing similar things without a punishment. Contacts like this one usually go unpunished when they happen during corners and fouls. Same with blatant holding, pushing and shoving. Crosses in the penalty area are open season. In perspective, maybe Ramos was trying to help Liverpool by knocking Karius out of the game.
Sorry, Messi flinging his arms in goalkeepers face on purpose?
Please do. It wasnt an accident, Ramos wasnt born yesterday. he understands space. He knew what he was doing.
And its not like what Ramos did to Salah wasnt a foul. He just didnt plan on taking him out of the game is all.
If you are suggesting that we are alluding to the fact that Karius's boneheaded plays were because he did that or that Real would have lost or whatever, well the answer is no. That sort of conjecture is pointless given the nature of the offense.
But if the games laws are followed at the very least Ramos shouldnt have continued in that game. Thats all really.
Regarding the quote below
Oh my, I do apologize for conflating the terms "Open season" and "fair game". I should've known better. That is indeed putting words in someones mouth and I do apologize. The use of the term Open Season is far worse, given its relationship to Hunting., but thats not really a debate I want to get into with someone who will just hide behind an invisible straw man.
Also the first bolded part is factually incorrect. Given the general nature of player reactions in the game today limbs hitting faces tend to draw controversy and reactions. So this sort of contact doesnt fall in the same league as "Holding, pushing and shoving."
You are trying to brush off and normalize something that isnt normal. Which is a rather remarkable similarity to a certain style that has become popular these days.
I wouldnt blame you for not trying to figure out things, that can be difficult when reality is a blur.
On May 29 2018 01:33 Pr0wler wrote: Lol, if it's not ref mistakes, then it's Ramos "intentionally" injuring someone... Ramos just roughed him up a bit, which is normal. Turned out that Salah got injured in the process. Shit happens. About the Karius thing... I can show you clips of Messi doing similar things without a punishment. Contacts like this one usually go unpunished when they happen during corners and fouls. Same with blatant holding, pushing and shoving. Crosses in the penalty area are open season. In perspective, maybe Ramos was trying to help Liverpool by knocking Karius out of the game.
The relationship to hunting is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. I partially disagree with you on the second paragraph, but I prefer to not get into detail. Also I think that you are overdramatizing , which is a trend of behaviour over the internet in recent years.
Credit where credit is due. You are spot on on the last one.
Liverpool needs much more than 3 new players to become top tier. When your best sub is Lallana and the next one is Emre Can, you know you are in big trouble. Their squad is quite terrible.
On May 29 2018 11:38 GTR wrote: USMNT looking bright with pulisic and now weah.
Weah needs to move to a new club ASAP, he's wasting his time at PSG.
As far as I've understood, Tuchel is one of the better managers for developing youngsters, so maybe there's some upside to being in PSG. But then again it's PSG....
He played the last game of the season and was subbed in twice. Maybe he would not even have trained with the senior team if he was not the son of his father. Even Zidane's son played a game for Madrid...
EPT
