EPTSeems Berndt Leno is going to leave Leverkusen now that Hradecky got there. Who else is around?
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Bacillus
Finland2117 Posts
Seems Berndt Leno is going to leave Leverkusen now that Hradecky got there. Who else is around? | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On May 29 2018 13:49 Bacillus wrote: Looking at some highlights compilation, Fabihno has a very decent variety of long range passes from deep midfield. He might have some fun target practise with the Firmino, Mane and Salah making those runs. Guy is technically good too, confident with moving the ball. Definitely an upgrade over Henderson. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On May 30 2018 14:31 Bacillus wrote: Apparently Roma is asking 90 million euros for Alisson. Any other decent keepers available in the market? I've seen Oblak mentioned here and there, but he might be quite happy staying in Atletico too and isn't going to be much cheaper. Seems Berndt Leno is going to leave Leverkusen now that Hradecky got there. Who else is around? Arsenalfantv keeps mentioning the keeper from Stoke as good | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland2117 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
But in fairness this is down to Liverpool doing shite business on the cheap in an area where they have been so cheap in since Klopp arrived. Karius came in for under £5million as was in last year of contract at Mainz after one good season. He was prone to mistakes before he lucked his way into the first team there after injury to the main keeper (i think it went like this im sure it did) They also bought in players like Matip, Klavan, cheap or even free players that aren't world class level, just "good" and in Klavan case he was fkn 31 lol They finally invested big in a defender in Van Dijk and now Lovren looks a bit better than he did before as well because i said the other week Lovren was one of the best defenders in the premier league before he rocked up at Liverpool. So they need to invest again in the goalkeeper and not go for some quick, cheap fix. Established, solid keeper at a good age, not a youngster, not Joe Hart or Kevin Trapp because these will be easy to pick up. A solid keeper who has played in Europe or has 60 plus premier league games under his belt. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2117 Posts
It's not perfect by any means, but I think overall they've got a huge improvement for the investments they've made. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Improvements in the way they are for the neutral i think is correct, but if you bottom line Scouse since Klopp came in; 7th > 4th > 4th with around £221 million spent on players (regardless if profit whatever), yet 0 trophies won, 3 finals lost. Is that good? Would be if you compared vs Arsenal maybe or Spurs. Salah scored 44 goals this season, they won nothing, and scraped into top 4 cuz Chelsea commited harry carry multiple times for whatever reason xD That is the bottom line on Liverpool for me, money spent, competing for top signings, yet still lack title winning crudentials, why? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Either way, I think it's an upgrade over karius. Guy flies around making simple saves look hard, has zero presence in the box. He's like an imposter. Liverpool just need 1 more coutinho-ish player to challenge for the title. Together with ox, he will provide cover for the front trio since Liverpool can always play without a dedicated AM. Haven't seen fekir YouTube highlights so I have no idea what he does, but word is that he fits the bill. Defence wise, I think VVD has provided enough stability. Fullbacks are covered with the emergence of Robertson and TAA and the return to fitness of clyne. There's still enough cover in milner and Gomez. I don't think there's a need to upgrade urgently. So I'd say Liverpool needs to buy a keeper and an attacker and they're all set. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On May 30 2018 19:01 Pandemona wrote: They got top 4 in 2016-17 season and to final in capitall one cup and Europa League final. They lost that european final because they could not defend, remember it was Moreno who was the one who went full crazy that game and cost them the game. They had sturridge scoring goals, coutinho, firminho, mane, they were attacking fine. They had the squad they have now minus Ox/VanDijk/Salah. Yet they only bought in Matip, Klavan and Karius that season defensively. Even with Moreno playing awful and being the reason for all the hate after the final last summer. Improvements in the way they are for the neutral i think is correct, but if you bottom line Scouse since Klopp came in; 7th > 4th > 4th with around £221 million spent on players (regardless if profit whatever), yet 0 trophies won, 3 finals lost. Is that good? Would be if you compared vs Arsenal maybe or Spurs. Salah scored 44 goals this season, they won nothing, and scraped into top 4 cuz Chelsea commited harry carry multiple times for whatever reason xD That is the bottom line on Liverpool for me, money spent, competing for top signings, yet still lack title winning crudentials, why? Nonsense, you're bending facts way too hard and you know it. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Also; Pini Zahavi (agent of Lewandowski): "Robert feels he needs a change and a new challenge in his career. The managers of Bayern know about it.” | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2117 Posts
On May 30 2018 20:26 DucK- wrote: Is butland really that average or are Liverpool fans just hoping for big signings. At least for now it's probably a bit of overcompensation after the UCL final. I haven't seen Butland play often enough to have a say, but in general I don't necessarily expect some kind of world top 5 goalie. Just a solid and consistent fellow with good mindset and attitude would be enough for me at this point. So I'd say Liverpool needs to buy a keeper and an attacker and they're all set. That's roughly what I'm feeling too. When it comes to attackers, Ings is coming back from injuries and Woodburn and Solanke might get some more responsibility, but one proper high tier alternative definitely wouldn't hurt. Especially Woodburn has looked really good on some Wales games, but he's just 18 and I don't think you can expect him to play PL consistently at this point. I'm curious to see if Lovren steps up even more after some R&R time. As far as I've understood, the poor guy was basically running on painkillers half the season. Also interesting to see how Wijnaldum plays next season (assuming he stays). On early Klopp seasons he was decent and versatile going forwards, but now he has been playing more quiet holding role. With Fabinho likely playing holding role, maybe we'll see some of that attacking power again. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On May 30 2018 21:47 Pandemona wrote: Bending what facts? Liverpool's net spend over the last 5 years : £10m, no top signing whatsoever, it's not because a player becomes great at the club that he's a top signing. Very far from your £221m and competing for top signings. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
liverpool £5m, tottenham £19m, chelseas £72m, arsenal £86m, ManU £252m, ManC £371m. Klopp's total net spend at his dortmund time (2008-2015) is around 45m€. Had to sell götze for cheap 37m and lewa went for free. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
They spend more than Yanited/Spurs/Arsenal as well, they spent £155 million this season, forget the profit/loss i don't understand why that matters in a debate where we discussing winning stuff. If you are then yes i can't say anything about that but they have still spent that kind of money on players just as Yanited and Chelsea have and have nothing to show for it. 16-17 they spent £71million Chelsea - £97million Arsenal - £96million Spurs - £75million Yanited - £166million Yanited won Europa league that year, Chelsea won the title, Arsenal the FA cup, Spurs nothing, Scouse nothing. Where they £18million away from winning the league? Where they 15 million away from winning a domestic cup etc? Net spend vs success is an irrelevant stat when you win nothing and are barely competing for top 4. Unless you are running your club for profit and your fans are happy with that (Spurs maybe?) then Liverpool went from being one of top clubs in England to medicore on that basis. | ||
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xccam
Great Britain1154 Posts
If you have money coming in, that is players leaving who have to be replaced. Hence some of the SPEND goes replacing players rather than just purely squad upgrades. Clubs who are spending more relative to money coming in must be assumed to be upgrading more of their squad than a team who is spending the same amount as they have coming in? | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 31 2018 05:53 xccam wrote: Pandemona, how is net spend not relevant? If you have money coming in, that is players leaving who have to be replaced. Hence some of the SPEND goes replacing players rather than just purely squad upgrades. Clubs who are spending more relative to money coming in must be assumed to be upgrading more of their squad than a team who is spending the same amount as they have coming in? This would be true if the money spent was actually going to replacing the player/role he sold. The spending was mostly done prior to the Countinho sale. The timing of it is important in this context. Then again he did spend half of that on a defender but that was something they wouldve done regardless of the Coutinho sale. i disagree that net spend is irrelevant and hes making his case a bit poorly (as usual) but for once he has a good point. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
They've had two European cup finals and a very entertaining side to watch, I would not call that nothing. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
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