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On May 05 2018 21:29 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2018 19:41 Greg_J wrote:
I checked the last 4 seasons to come up with my statistic that 80 points would be enough to win 2 of the last 3 seasons. It shows how misleading that really is if it's really correct that it would only be enough to win 2 out of the past 15 seasons.
edit: I'm afraid that claim isn't true 80 pts would be enough to win 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16 seasons. I didn't go back any further than that. I should also state that I am defining enough points to win the league as having more points than the team that finished 2nd that year. Maybe if you are comparing with it been enough to beat the team that finished first you would get drastically different results. I thought you'd obviously have to compare it to beating the team that's in first place.. otherwise you're just getting second? :|
My logic was that United won that season what was the minimum number of points United needed to win, beat the second place team. I can definately see that definition been disputed.
edit: Lovely frre kick from Shaqiri. Stoke have hope.
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Norway28911 Posts
On May 05 2018 19:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:
its not fair to look at average age across the whole squad. like i said, most of our experienced players are in our defense. if you look at our defending it has actually been really solid and consistent throughout the entire season. our attack is what has a "random" aspect to it. sometimes they click and do well, sometimes they dont know what theyre doing. pogba/lukaku/martial/lingard/rashford are all 25 and under. we have sanchez now who needs time to adapt to the club himself, mata is a rotation player, herrera isnt really used as an attacking outlet. that leaves no one of the ibra/rooney/carrick age group in attack that can probably help when the attack seems lost.
If you compare defenders with more than 10 games, then united's average age is 26.2 and city's average age is 27.2. City's midfield+attack is actually younger than united's. The age is not the issue.
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Norway28911 Posts
On May 05 2018 21:35 Greg_J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2018 21:29 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 05 2018 19:41 Greg_J wrote:
I checked the last 4 seasons to come up with my statistic that 80 points would be enough to win 2 of the last 3 seasons. It shows how misleading that really is if it's really correct that it would only be enough to win 2 out of the past 15 seasons.
edit: I'm afraid that claim isn't true 80 pts would be enough to win 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16 seasons. I didn't go back any further than that. I should also state that I am defining enough points to win the league as having more points than the team that finished 2nd that year. Maybe if you are comparing with it been enough to beat the team that finished first you would get drastically different results. I thought you'd obviously have to compare it to beating the team that's in first place.. otherwise you're just getting second? :| My logic was that United won that season what was the minimum number of points United needed to win, beat the second place team. I can definately see that definaition been disputed.
I mean I just think the easiest way to look at it is, the winning team had more than 83 points in 13 out of the last 15 seasons. So 83 points is very rarely enough to win the league.
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Tomorrow will be one of the most boring Clásico ever.
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I guess 'enough points to win the League' was a rather vague term to start using. This year if you are Man City you only need 80 or so to beat United. But if you look at it from any other teams perspective you need nearly 100 to beat CIty. I'm sorry I wasted your time with that one.
Let's talk about how Liverpool have scored more goals in the Champions League than Everton have in the League instead!
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Norway28911 Posts
did not waste my time, I looked it up for fun a week ago cause I was curious how many times united would have won the league if they ended up with 86 points :D
if it's not plainly obvious to all I love football statistics and numbers and stuff like that.
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Looking ominous for Stoke now. There will be windy Wednesday evenings in the Championship next year.
edit: There she goes. Nothing can stop her sinking now.
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Lol we're safe, after losing first 7 games without scoring... has anyone ever done that before?
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1899 bois, thats such a Palace stat if i've ever heared one.
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Crazy season Palace have had.
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Fuck you Thenewera
You need to stop going to stadiums you are the worst curse ever.
Frankfurt 0-1 Hamburg
Leipzig 1-0 Wolfsburg
Hamburg now on playoff spot >.<
e: wait was it offside or not?
It was, you got lucky this time
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Germany3128 Posts
I guess I'm just automatically jinxing Eintracht teams by visiting their stadiums
Edit: Puh
Edit2: Woohoo. Now get you shit together Radkappen
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Frankfurt 1-0 Hamburg
not dead yet, but much better
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I'll start making the ebay listing for a large digital clock in the Hamburg area.
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Norway28911 Posts
looks like the third season through pl history where all freshly promoted teams will avoid relegation! 
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Hooray Crystal Palace!
Now start cleaning house 
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On May 05 2018 23:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Hooray Crystal Palace! Now start cleaning house
An actual striker and a keeper pls
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On May 05 2018 23:24 Greg_J wrote:
I'll start making the ebay listing for a large digital clock in the Hamburg area.
Frankfurt 1-0 Hamburg
Leipzig 4-1 Wolfsburg
Sadly Wolfsburg suck as much and the gap will remain 2 points or less with one to play
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On May 05 2018 21:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2018 19:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:
its not fair to look at average age across the whole squad. like i said, most of our experienced players are in our defense. if you look at our defending it has actually been really solid and consistent throughout the entire season. our attack is what has a "random" aspect to it. sometimes they click and do well, sometimes they dont know what theyre doing. pogba/lukaku/martial/lingard/rashford are all 25 and under. we have sanchez now who needs time to adapt to the club himself, mata is a rotation player, herrera isnt really used as an attacking outlet. that leaves no one of the ibra/rooney/carrick age group in attack that can probably help when the attack seems lost. If you compare defenders with more than 10 games, then united's average age is 26.2 and city's average age is 27.2. City's midfield+attack is actually younger than united's. The age is not the issue.
why do you keep bringing up average ages?
would you rather have an attack of five 23yr olds or four 20 yr olds and a 30 yr old to lead them?
city have players like aguero, silva etc that are directly involved in their attacking stages and have plenty of experience. united do not have that character in their attack
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On May 06 2018 00:23 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2018 21:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 05 2018 19:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:
its not fair to look at average age across the whole squad. like i said, most of our experienced players are in our defense. if you look at our defending it has actually been really solid and consistent throughout the entire season. our attack is what has a "random" aspect to it. sometimes they click and do well, sometimes they dont know what theyre doing. pogba/lukaku/martial/lingard/rashford are all 25 and under. we have sanchez now who needs time to adapt to the club himself, mata is a rotation player, herrera isnt really used as an attacking outlet. that leaves no one of the ibra/rooney/carrick age group in attack that can probably help when the attack seems lost. If you compare defenders with more than 10 games, then united's average age is 26.2 and city's average age is 27.2. City's midfield+attack is actually younger than united's. The age is not the issue. why do you keep bringing up average ages? would you rather have an attack of five 23yr olds or four 20 yr olds and a 30 yr old to lead them? city have players like aguero, silva etc that are directly involved in their attacking stages and have plenty of experience. united do not have that character in their attack
Even when City dont have said 2 players in the lineup they are still significantly superior to Uniteds group of young players in terms of consistently performing.
Aguero has been barely relevant the second half of the year and Silva has sat his fair share of games aswell although admittedly he is alot more invaluable to the squad at this time.
Remember Mata and Silva both came up together. And Mata at some point was the best player on some top level teams until he ran into Mou. So every team has its share of experienced and young players. Instead of wasting time matching players he simply pointed out that on average the ages and relative experience across the squad are similar.
Again the bottom line is the issue is not a lack of experience. It is the way they are made to play. A football team that plays not to lose against teams of equal calibre (and often succeeds) will have difficulty winning games it should when they have to be the protagonist,
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Norway28911 Posts
I bring it up because you said united's squad was too young to stay consistent. City's squad is as young but they are consistent. Thus I don't think your initial statement about united's squad being too young to be consistent is accurate. While that might seem like nitpicking at the phrasing you used, the point I'm trying to make is that it's not an age thing, but a Mourinho thing. He doesn't really focus on developing a coherent attacking play. This makes United less capable of winning consistently, because they are more dependent on individuals making some magic happen- for City the players just have to adhere to the implemented playstyle and they will nearly always create far more dangerous changes than the opposing team. They only struggle with teams that have a comparable skill level as them.
Further, City is 10-0-0 in PL games where Aguero was not fielded this season. 20-3-2 in games where he plays.
United is 7-0-3 in games where Sanchez plays - worse point per average than the rest of the season. (I know this comparison isn't entirely fair because he came mid-season and hasn't had time to gel in the same way. But there isn't that much 'gelling' to be done, aside from being taught to work hard defensively.  ) As for the midfield City has Silva, indeed, United has fielded Mata, Matic and Young most of the season - they're 29, 29 and 32.
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