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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18712 Posts
March 05 2018 17:50 GMT
#4141
On March 05 2018 08:17 Mafe wrote:
Bayern won 4-0 against my favorite team Freiburg, but it seems Müller is getting back in shape for the World Cup, so I'm actually not that unhappy about the result.


Müller is still only 28 years old haha. If he wants he can play another or even two more WCs additional to this year's.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28873 Posts
March 05 2018 18:02 GMT
#4142
yeah muller has the potential to set a wc goal record that will last for a really really long time
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 19:02:34
March 05 2018 18:59 GMT
#4143
I hope Muller does it, great player and he is just nothing "special" he has no super tricks, no super strength or speed, just a pure hard working great player. One of the few germans i like :3 (in football)

On March 06 2018 02:06 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 01:30 Pandemona wrote:
But we had no excuse for fatigue, we had 7 clear days rest vs Man City who played Cup Final > Arsenal repeat game before we rocked up at the Etihad.
Vs Barca we could keep the ball with Barca press and pressured more i agree there but vs City we just bent over and presented it felt like!

When the team came out for Barca game i felt the same thing might happen to what happened vs City where we would not be able to get out because we cannot play our way through a high pressing team with the style and players we have. However we managed it there because we were alot braver on the ball for a start and two Pedro actually was a player! However i still feel the out ball to a striker is the way you beat these teams anyway, especially Barca/Man City where the likes of Morata isn't going to get bullied as much by the two centre halves.

But anyway, we shall see what happens in the future, yesterday was an embarrassment for Chelsea Football Club but all would be forgotten if we were to somehow get top 4 still.


That is true I didnt realise they had such a long break, in my head there were just alot of intense fixtures. And its also true that individually some people (Pedro, Wilian, Fabregas) were alot better against Barca then yesterday.

And yes, there is no logic to not playing a striker to hold up the ball and then have Hazard and Wilian play off him. Hazard especially playing out of position gets marked out of games, and the fact that he is having to make plays far to deep to effect anything is a tragedy. I like to give managers the benefit of the doubt when it comes to tactics but Conte is making it really hard to defend.

I mean this was a common theme in the second half. One would think that after going a goal down finaly City would feel some pressure higher up but with being a goal up they felt no need to push the pace either so you can hardly blame them.

And I just realised that this is what Chelsea looks like without Kante :p


Yes this is the issue i have, i can defend Chelsea until i go blue and pass out everyone knows this, but yesterday was the first time i couldn't. Me and my dad watched the game and were bemused and were saying the same things. It really did feel like we went to Man City to not get beat by more than one goal and the players did not want anything apart of how the manager set them out.

Also yes, Chelsea without Kante is clearly a big miss but i still think we could have had a better shout with the as you say 3-4-3 playing with a striker. Just baffles me how Conte would do that.

Anyway, all will be forgiven if we get top 4 and can beat Barcelona!
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
March 05 2018 20:37 GMT
#4144
Beating Barcelona is a very healthy chance, top 4 not so much. Spurs and Liverpool are red hot and probably wont drop the ball and United has been grinding out results all season and I wouldnt expect that to change either.
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2073 Posts
March 05 2018 21:04 GMT
#4145
On March 06 2018 05:37 Rebs wrote:
Beating Barcelona is a very healthy chance, top 4 not so much. Spurs and Liverpool are red hot and probably wont drop the ball and United has been grinding out results all season and I wouldnt expect that to change either.

ManU is losing to Palace at half time though. They seem to drop at least some points to lesser teams right now.

Of course it's a long climb for Chelsea to catch up and they haven't even started it yet.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 22:36:16
March 05 2018 21:40 GMT
#4146
On March 06 2018 06:04 Bacillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 05:37 Rebs wrote:
Beating Barcelona is a very healthy chance, top 4 not so much. Spurs and Liverpool are red hot and probably wont drop the ball and United has been grinding out results all season and I wouldnt expect that to change either.

ManU is losing to Palace at half time though. They seem to drop at least some points to lesser teams right now.

Of course it's a long climb for Chelsea to catch up and they haven't even started it yet.


I mean United is a medicore team, too dont get me wrong, theres a reason I didnt put it in the same league as Spurs and Pool, but they seem grindy enough to make it even if they lose some games and drop some points here and there which they will. EDIT - todays game was a prime example.

And this Chelsea isnt exactly going places. Again there is a very distinct problem that Chelsea has right now, its all well and good playing underdog footie against good teams.

Chelsea's bigger struggle at the moment is actually taking points from smaller teams. They have tried to play big club footy against mid table and even relegation threatened PL opposition and somehow every so often gotten absolutely wrecked. Granted I dont imagine it to be as bad going forward but the damage has been done and I have my doubts that they will be able to recover enough to put a run that will allow them to leapfrog teams ahead of them.

But, you never know and their fans I suppose have to believe, cant fault them for that. Except Arsenal fans, they can stop believing.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 05 2018 22:57 GMT
#4147
Aaand Palace are going to get relegated
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28873 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-06 00:07:40
March 06 2018 00:06 GMT
#4148
ok like I didn't get to watch city vs chelsea but..


that display with the score being 0-1 with 15 minutes left to play? jesus fucking christ that's pathetic.

edit: ok just saw pande linked the same video :D but like what the fuck? that's some of the saddest shit i've ever seen from a top team.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28873 Posts
March 06 2018 00:15 GMT
#4149
On March 06 2018 07:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Aaand Palace are going to get relegated


meh i think they'll make it. 2 points in the last 6 games looks bad - but that includes 1 goal losses vs spurs and united, and other losses to arsenal and away vs everton. draws vs west ham and newcastle. it's really tight - but if you look at the past 22 games they're about a top 10 team. and while their past 6 games had 3 matches vs top 6, their final 6 matches have 0 games against the same group.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-06 04:46:27
March 06 2018 01:32 GMT
#4150
On March 06 2018 09:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
ok like I didn't get to watch city vs chelsea but..
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/970437374281789441

that display with the score being 0-1 with 15 minutes left to play? jesus fucking christ that's pathetic.

edit: ok just saw pande linked the same video :D but like what the fuck? that's some of the saddest shit i've ever seen from a top team.


That Rebs linked.. I would like my credit where it is due, it took me a whole 5 seconds to link that from twitter OK!.

Imagine an entire half of this because City semi fortunately*for them) got a goal early in the half and I have to actually get up in the morning, crawl to my lounge and chug gatorades to get to catch these games in the morning.

Gundogan broke the record for most touches in a PL game, by simply passing the ball back and forth 5 yards past the half for 40 mins,

I switched to the Barca Atleti game but it ended too early.


On March 06 2018 09:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 07:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Aaand Palace are going to get relegated


meh i think they'll make it. 2 points in the last 6 games looks bad - but that includes 1 goal losses vs spurs and united, and other losses to arsenal and away vs everton. draws vs west ham and newcastle. it's really tight - but if you look at the past 22 games they're about a top 10 team. and while their past 6 games had 3 matches vs top 6, their final 6 matches have 0 games against the same group.


The current Palace is better than a couple of the teams they are fighting but its really tough. I tink West Brom is gone for sure, Stoke and Southampton dont look so great. There is quite a scrap at the bottom,.

Remember when in the 90s and early two thousands the 30 something would generally be safe..

Wellll...
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-06 04:40:08
March 06 2018 01:34 GMT
#4151
needless double..
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18712 Posts
March 06 2018 05:01 GMT
#4152
Palace lost to arsenal so they deserve getting relegated!
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-06 07:36:11
March 06 2018 07:35 GMT
#4153
On March 06 2018 06:40 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 06:04 Bacillus wrote:
On March 06 2018 05:37 Rebs wrote:
Beating Barcelona is a very healthy chance, top 4 not so much. Spurs and Liverpool are red hot and probably wont drop the ball and United has been grinding out results all season and I wouldnt expect that to change either.

ManU is losing to Palace at half time though. They seem to drop at least some points to lesser teams right now.

Of course it's a long climb for Chelsea to catch up and they haven't even started it yet.


I mean United is a medicore team, too dont get me wrong, theres a reason I didnt put it in the same league as Spurs and Pool, but they seem grindy enough to make it even if they lose some games and drop some points here and there which they will. EDIT - todays game was a prime example.

Yeah, gotta give it to you. It took some atrocious defending from Palace, some miracle work from De Gea and the screamer from Matic of all people. If this was the only time this has happened, I'd call it a fluke. However, it has happened more than enough times now to make it a pattern now.

I still can't understand how they keep doing it so consistently while looking so shaky, but it seems to be working.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8913 Posts
March 06 2018 07:51 GMT
#4154
not sure what mediocrity has to do with anything. if teams are managing to win despite bad performances, it really doesnt matter whether theyre playing "mediocre" or not.
fergie was particularly good at making mediocre teams produce results. in the end he won championships and people could criticise all they want, but it really doesnt mean shit lol. at the end of the day its about whether you get the result or not.
id say the team deserves praise that they have the belief they can get the result no matter what, rather than doing what chelsea or arsenal players do atm.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 06 2018 09:12 GMT
#4155
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
March 06 2018 12:30 GMT
#4156
Is Emery unemployed by tomorrow or not, place your bets.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
March 06 2018 13:27 GMT
#4157
On March 06 2018 21:30 Laurens wrote:
Is Emery unemployed by tomorrow or not, place your bets.

Dont care, which team will advance to next round is what I am interested in.
Off-season = best season
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-06 15:30:09
March 06 2018 15:28 GMT
#4158
On March 06 2018 16:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:
not sure what mediocrity has to do with anything. if teams are managing to win despite bad performances, it really doesnt matter whether theyre playing "mediocre" or not.
fergie was particularly good at making mediocre teams produce results. in the end he won championships and people could criticise all they want, but it really doesnt mean shit lol. at the end of the day its about whether you get the result or not.id say the team deserves praise that they have the belief they can get the result no matter what, rather than doing what chelsea or arsenal players do atm.


Which is why he is the GOAT.. granted in many cases he benefited from other teams shitting the bed hard enough, but if there was ever a manager whose team put in shaky performances and pipped games it was him.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-06 15:31:47
March 06 2018 15:31 GMT
#4159
On March 07 2018 00:28 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 16:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:
not sure what mediocrity has to do with anything. if teams are managing to win despite bad performances, it really doesnt matter whether theyre playing "mediocre" or not.
fergie was particularly good at making mediocre teams produce results. in the end he won championships and people could criticise all they want, but it really doesnt mean shit lol. at the end of the day its about whether you get the result or not.id say the team deserves praise that they have the belief they can get the result no matter what, rather than doing what chelsea or arsenal players do atm.


Which is why he is the GOAT..

Not possible, he never won CL with an inferior team by parking the bus.
On March 06 2018 21:30 Laurens wrote:
Is Emery unemployed by tomorrow or not, place your bets.

Think that depends on who they want to replace him with. If they can immediately have a successor take over like Tuchel sure, no point tho if they want to wait for Zidane to be an option in the summer.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18387 Posts
March 06 2018 16:04 GMT
#4160
On March 07 2018 00:28 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 16:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:
not sure what mediocrity has to do with anything. if teams are managing to win despite bad performances, it really doesnt matter whether theyre playing "mediocre" or not.
fergie was particularly good at making mediocre teams produce results. in the end he won championships and people could criticise all they want, but it really doesnt mean shit lol. at the end of the day its about whether you get the result or not.id say the team deserves praise that they have the belief they can get the result no matter what, rather than doing what chelsea or arsenal players do atm.


Which is why he is the GOAT.. granted in many cases he benefited from other teams shitting the bed hard enough, but if there was ever a manager whose team put in shaky performances and pipped games it was him.

Not sure consistent performance with one club can ever be considered GOAT. Imho coaches like Mourinho, Hiddink, Ancelotti, Happel, del Bosque or v. Gaal have shown the ability to coach different teams to greatness in different competitions, which is *probably* harder than consistently performing in a club that supports you unconditionally, even with crappy teams (which were not necessarily crappy... just crappy in comparison to United's great teams before).
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