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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 23 2017 04:58 GMT
#141
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 23 2017 04:58 GMT
#142
The players and their representatives are children, so don't pay too much attention to what they say.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 23 2017 05:01 GMT
#143
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 23 2017 05:50 GMT
#144
On June 23 2017 14:01 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 13:54 cLutZ wrote:
On June 23 2017 12:36 JimmiC wrote:
On June 23 2017 12:05 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On June 23 2017 10:20 Jerubaal wrote:
Idk. Did the 76ers really have to trade up for Fultz? It's clear the Cs didn't really want him. Were the Cs going to draft him anyway for value? Or did the 76ers not really give anything up of value to move up?

Fultz could provide the crucial piece in the backcourt to finally materialize the process. Boston also could keep collecting assets and hopefully cash them in post Warriors era. Its a kinda low-risk-high-reward for both PHI and BOS, so essentially a win-win.

The Bulls, on the other hand. The Butler trade does not make sense practically, tactically, rationally, astronomically, emotionally, graphically, stoically, geometrically, sarcastically, culinarily, grammatically, tyranically, organically, geriatrically, and not even ironically. I think it is good for Butler and the wolves though.



It only makes sense if it was the best offer out there and they figure capitalize now while he's worth the most. If Pacers get more for PG then its awful, but they get nothing or dick all it looks better.

I think this looks bad for the celtics. like they couldn't put up a better package then that?


The Celtics are dicking around their fans and the media. Just like the Bulls will be for the next 5 years. If you aren't on my wavelength, let me explain:

The Celtics do not have, and have not had any player that will lead them to an Eastern Conference title. Its not likely that anyone currently on the team will be a top 3-4 player on a potential Celtics title team. The only players they have that are likely to be on such a team are Brown and Tatum. Everyone else on the team is a 0 when it comes to titles, and is only on the team so that Ainge can attempt to trade them for someone who is not mediocre.

The same is true of the Bulls. GarPax will attempt to sell Chicago on LaVine and Dunn and Markkannen, but none of them will be a starter on a future Bulls team that wins the East (maybe Markannen, I dont watch Europe enough).


He played for ARizona state last year. Looks like his upside is a better ryan anderson. So he could be a component. I agree with you that the celts are not there yet. But when you have as many B+ assets as they have they need to leverage them for some A's other wise they will just continue to be a top hlaf of the east team. Which I think is basically what you are saying as well. The big advantage tehy have. Is they can keep swinging for the fences hoping a draft pick or two hit while competing because the nets made the worst trade in NBA history.


I don't evaluate any player on the Bulls or Celtics as B+ at the moment.

Regarding Markannen, if he is Ryan Anderson, that is a failure. If he is Ryan Anderson who is a Draymond/Durant level defender, then we have something. That is a player that can contribute to a real team.

That is the real thing about today's NBA, defense. A drunken 50 year old Chris Mullen could play offense for most teams now, the problem is defense. The league is 2-way players, and at the 4/5 it seems to be much easier to teach good defenders to shoot 3s (they get wide open 3s!) than it is to mold shitty defenders into players. That is why, IMO, this draft is overrated. Who can play defense? Fox & Jackson, maybe Fultz. The rest of the top 10 is a crapshoot.
Freeeeeeedom
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
June 23 2017 05:59 GMT
#145
On June 23 2017 13:41 andrewlt wrote:
The Warriors also bought the pick that became Patrick McCaw, who gave them decent minutes this year.

I got a laugh looking at ESPN's list of team needs. They listed the Warriors, Spurs, Cavs, Rockets and Celtics as "needing" a center and 4/5 of them as "needing" a PF. In fact, they list the Cavs' needs as PG, PF and C while the Cavs are desperately trying to add depth to their SG and SF positions. Do these guys watch NBA games?

Ya I def remember that b/c I was hoping the Lakers would get him too haha. There were even reports of Kupchak trying to buy a 2nd round pick (which I thought would be used on him) but he supposedly took too long/ the opportunity closed.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 23 2017 08:05 GMT
#146
On June 23 2017 14:59 MassHysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 13:41 andrewlt wrote:
The Warriors also bought the pick that became Patrick McCaw, who gave them decent minutes this year.

I got a laugh looking at ESPN's list of team needs. They listed the Warriors, Spurs, Cavs, Rockets and Celtics as "needing" a center and 4/5 of them as "needing" a PF. In fact, they list the Cavs' needs as PG, PF and C while the Cavs are desperately trying to add depth to their SG and SF positions. Do these guys watch NBA games?

Ya I def remember that b/c I was hoping the Lakers would get him too haha. There were even reports of Kupchak trying to buy a 2nd round pick (which I thought would be used on him) but he supposedly took too long/ the opportunity closed.

ESPN is whack
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-23 11:23:07
June 23 2017 11:17 GMT
#147
Ya the Vertical have done a better job covering it for me the last 2 years
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 23 2017 11:51 GMT
#148
I'm still speechless over the Bulls trade. Why oh why?
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
June 23 2017 12:00 GMT
#149
On June 23 2017 20:51 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I'm still speechless over the Bulls trade. Why oh why?

Jimmy B et al ain happy about it -
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
June 23 2017 12:00 GMT
#150
Here's another one i found:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/06/22/jimmy-butlers-trainer-calls-bulls-gm-gar-forman-a-liar/
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 23 2017 12:08 GMT
#151
On June 23 2017 21:00 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
Here's another one i found:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/06/22/jimmy-butlers-trainer-calls-bulls-gm-gar-forman-a-liar/

Thanks for the link. You have to wonder. Boston wasnt able to make a fair offer. They turned down Cavs offer as well. But they traded Butler for this...
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
June 23 2017 12:31 GMT
#152
Glad to help man. boston is playing it very conservatively see: #1 - #3 trade. and the cavs have nothing. lbj gutted them out. they are a bunch of overpaid underperforming incohesive talents led by a selfish brand conscious player. they have nowhere to go and no realistic moves in the future with their cap situation and luxury tax. lbj left them high and dry as he did with pat riley et al when the team got old.
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 23 2017 12:55 GMT
#153
And he brought them a championship too. What a douche.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 23 2017 12:57 GMT
#154
I don't like that aspect of Lebron as well, but let me give you an alternative perspective.

Professional athletes are in an insecure situation since they are dispensable and could be traded/waived/cut off all the time. The power is always with the owner and the management. Now, this era of Lebron, Durant, CP3 and company, the players are taking control of their business. It might leave a bad taste in the mouth for some, but, and I don;t know if you're old enough to have witnessed it, players, great and loyal ones at that, have suffered horrible embarrassment when owners get rid of them for business reasons. Cases in point, Raptors Hakeem and Sonics Ewing.

This is good development that players are starting to manage their careers more closely. I don't like it though when it becomes all about the brand and players become too friendly with each other in the court. Otherwise, there is a valid explanation for this phenomenon.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
June 23 2017 13:05 GMT
#155
On June 23 2017 21:55 ZenithM wrote:
And he brought them a championship too. What a douche.

I beg you. OPEN YOUR EYES. It was IRVING who brought them the championship. lbj was ready to surrender in game 5 last year, until irving carried them and went insane for games 5,6, and 7. the same thing happened in miami. wade was reported to scream at him "you will not again cost me this championship" as he disappeared late in 2012. And who could forget how allen handed him his second championship?
lbj has got to be the luckiest of all superstars.
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 23 2017 13:06 GMT
#156
Can't we say both Lebron and Kyrie brought them a championship?
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
June 23 2017 13:12 GMT
#157
On June 23 2017 22:06 ZenithM wrote:
Can't we say both Lebron and Kyrie brought them a championship?

I would agree, if lbj showed that he had the courage to win it. he is all party and highlights when they steamroll their opponents, peacocking and highfiving like middle school bullies. but when the game and series is on the line, he bricks his shots, he fails on his responsibilities, and defers to kyrie. i would like to point out duncan manu and tp. yes, you could say duncan was monumental in their championship, but you could make a noncontroversial argument that all three of them won it because all three of them made the effort. the same thing also applies to shaq and kobe.
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 23 2017 13:15 GMT
#158
So I imagine I can't bring up stats either to show that Lebron indeed contributed ever so slightly to this championship? Because he's a stat-chaser and stats are hollow and all that?
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
June 23 2017 13:23 GMT
#159
I mean this when i say this - im neither a troll nor a lebron hater. and im not dogmatic about it, its just a great game that i passionately follow. based on my watching the nba closely in the last half decade, he is nowhere near as great as people say he is. he is barely in my top 5 to be honest. this based on the aforementined games and data that i read and saw here and there. but, i am willing to consider a good argument when i see one. so your stats, lets have it...
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
June 23 2017 13:35 GMT
#160
On June 23 2017 22:12 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 22:06 ZenithM wrote:
Can't we say both Lebron and Kyrie brought them a championship?

I would agree, if lbj showed that he had the courage to win it. he is all party and highlights when they steamroll their opponents, peacocking and highfiving like middle school bullies. but when the game and series is on the line, he bricks his shots, he fails on his responsibilities, and defers to kyrie. i would like to point out duncan manu and tp. yes, you could say duncan was monumental in their championship, but you could make a noncontroversial argument that all three of them won it because all three of them made the effort. the same thing also applies to shaq and kobe.

Yes, but there are better ways to do it than becoming a mercenary and gutting teams in the process
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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