Rose/IT is a perfectly adequate replacement. I don't think he's hard to replace on that team. The problem is Rose/IT will both be injured at some point.

Elroi

Sweden5599 Posts

August 23 2017 21:03 GMT

#902

Cleveland looks better against worse opposition now with a deeper line up I think. But this takes away a lot from their highest level and the highest level is what matters in the finals. To me this looks like cleveland gave up on beating the warriors and made a trade that is good for the future. But I dont know how much Irving saying that he wanted out forced their hand though.

andrewlt

United States7702 Posts

August 23 2017 21:17 GMT

#903

Well, Irving is a liability on defense as well but his offense is less likely to drop off in the playoffs compared to IT2's. I think Crowder is a decent enough wing to give them more depth. 2018 Nets pick won't be ready for a while.

ZenithM

France15952 Posts

August 25 2017 08:47 GMT

#904

If the Cavs want to match up against GSW again, and not just look at the future, they can make some additional moves with the pick they got. The thing I'm doubtful about is their starting lineup vs GSW. I think they'd want to put Crowder on Durant. Lebron having to guard such a threat 1on1 might be the single reason why they couldn't compete evenly, he's a better team defender than he's a man-to-man defender now, and he's obviously the offensive engine of the team so he needs the energy. So they put Crowder on Durant, Durant gets his points anyway, but at least maybe Crowder can make him work for it a little instead of him shooting like 110 TS%.

So what would be the lineup if we assume Crowder starts? Imo they should try moving away from TT at Center and try Love, for a IT-JR-Crowder-Lebron-Love lineup. TT was ineffective anyway in the finals. The only plus he adds compared to Love is his ability to decently switch on perimeter players.
They still have to learn how to play defense though, with 2 easy "score-all-you-want-buffet" type of targets for switches in the lineup...

RowdierBob

Australia13297 Posts

August 25 2017 13:21 GMT

#905

I wonder what the Cavs could realistically get for that pick if they want to cash it in for a win now chip. I think some people overvalue it.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

August 25 2017 14:30 GMT

#906

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Elroi

Sweden5599 Posts

August 26 2017 13:53 GMT

#907

Maybe love plus the pick for a really good player. Love is really good of course but i dont think the cavs get everything out of him because of his role in the team.

Nemireck

Canada1875 Posts

August 27 2017 17:17 GMT

#908

Cavs found the one starting PG in the league with worse defense than Kyrie, lol.

Sure the guy can score 30 a game, but he's costing ya 36 on the other end!

RowdierBob

Australia13297 Posts

August 28 2017 04:41 GMT

#909

On August 25 2017 23:30 JimmiC wrote:
I think a fair bit. Like if PG doesn't work in OKC I could see them. For sure melo. Perhaps bledsoe but they don't need that. I would think the magic would be happy to trade just about anyone.

None of those represent a great return though. Only PG is really worth it and he's no guarantee to re-sign, particularly if LeBron goes.

I think it's more and more likely this pick will be LeBron leaving insurance. Cavs might squeeze an extra second or late first out but I think deal still gets done.

icystorage

Jollibee19350 Posts

August 29 2017 07:59 GMT

#910

On August 28 2017 02:17 Nemireck wrote:
Cavs found the one starting PG in the league with worse defense than Kyrie, lol.

Sure the guy can score 30 a game, but he's costing ya 36 on the other end!

They got another 3&D out of it tho. Also somewhat improves their future with the BKN pick

Nemireck

Canada1875 Posts

August 30 2017 21:14 GMT

#911

On August 29 2017 16:59 icystorage wrote:

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They got another 3&D out of it tho. Also somewhat improves their future with the BKN pick

Oh for sure, I'm just having a laugh at how IT seems to rated so highly, yet he ends up an overall negative on whatever team he plays for. When Lowry makes you look like a midget, you ain't stopping any shots.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

August 30 2017 22:08 GMT

#912

This CLE balking at the trade "after the physical" has been, imo, bush-league. His MRIs and XRays haven't changed, CLE is just having buyers remorse, and don't seem to understand how good of a deal they got even if he can't play in the first 50 games