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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 02:18:00
June 13 2017 04:30 GMT
#1
NBA OFFSEASON 2017


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Latest News

KYRIE IRVING TRADE UPDATE
Boston gets Irving
Cleveland gets Thomas, Crowder, Zizic, 2018 pick through Nets


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  • Keyboard Warrior posts stat on game winning/tying final possession scorers vs. passers >link

  • Keyboard Warrior posts stat proving Kobe is clutch and Lebron is not >link

  • JimmiC challenges JimmyJRaynor re: Heat >link
    [Details: JimmiC - Heat is not top 2 in East vs. JimmyJRaynor - Heat is top 2 in East. Loser gets thread banned entire postseason and offseason 2018. JimmyJRaynor hides, avoids the challenge]

  • xwoGworwaTsx challenges JimmyJRaynor re: analytics >link1 >link2
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  • JimmyJRaynor claims to know the reason of Kobe's "shortened career" and landing mechanics after watching a kid's youtube videolink
    [Details: JimmyJRaynor casually claims Kobe's landing mechanics shortened his career in a discussion about Kobe vs. Lebron clutch. Keyboard Warrior calls him out, linking the youtube video. JimmiC calls him out for using invalid statistics and the length of Kobe's so-called shortened career. JimmyJRaynor doubles down, claims he and his buddies noticed Kobe's wrong landing mechanics long before the video, and is finally caught in a sticky web of inconsistency, stupidity, and lies of his own doing.]

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NBA Offseason Schedule

June 22 — NBA Draft
June 24 — deadline for RFA player options
June 26 — NBA Awards
June 29 — deadline for players/team termination options
June 30 — deadline for teams to make qualifying offers to players eligible for RFA
July 1 — Official start of 2017/18 league year; July moratorium begins. Free agents can begin reaching verbal agreements with teams.
July 1-17 — NBA Summer League
July 6 — July moratorium ends (11:00am CT); teams can begin officially signing players and making trades.
July 13 — Last day for teams to unilaterally withdraw qualifying offers to restricted free agents.
July 15 — Last day for teams to issue required tenders to unsigned first-round picks; those players become free agents on July 16 if not tendered.
August 31 — Last day teams may waive players and apply the stretch provision to their 2017/18 salaries.
September 5 — Last day for teams to issue required tenders to unsigned second-round picks; those players become free agents on September 6 if not tendered.
Late September (specific dates TBA) — Training camps open.


NBA Draft 2017

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NBA Awards 2017

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Free Agency

CHI out - Butler / MIN out - Lavine, Dunn, 2017 round pick
CP3 to HOU
Hayward to BOS
PG13 to OKC
Me7o to ???
Kyrie to ???


NBA Summer League 2017

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Miscellaneous

- Phil Jackson kicked out ot NYK
- How will the Cavs adjust to remain competitive vs. GSW next year?
- Adjustments for other playoff teams: Spurs? Houston? OKC? Celtics?
- Key player acquisitions: Paul George, Chris Paul, Gordon Hayward
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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 06:47:19
June 13 2017 06:44 GMT
#2
I hope to god that PG13 doesn't magically end up on the Cavs (not like their cap space leaves them any flexibility anyways). I'm curious what the Spurs are gonna do in the off season too, seeing as their cap/roster flexibility isn't that great either.

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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 14 2017 00:24 GMT
#3
I think the Spurs could be one or two players away from having a good shot against the Warriors.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 14 2017 01:17 GMT
#4
On June 14 2017 09:24 Jerubaal wrote:
I think the Spurs could be one or two players away from having a good shot against the Warriors.

Does CP3 fit the Spurs system?
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
June 14 2017 03:27 GMT
#5
except they cant afford CP3 even if their bench was just all d league players. gotta say LMA was a pretty shitty signing as it turns out
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17002 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 15:42:45
June 14 2017 12:16 GMT
#6
Is Chris Paul a legit full 72 inches tall? cause Lowry ain't no 72 inches tall.
i ask these questions because the tendency is that short point guards do not age well. Short being under 6'1".

i'd definitely steer clear of Lowry. I don't know enough about Paul to make a definitive comment. George Hill is the safe bet.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
June 14 2017 18:44 GMT
#7
On June 14 2017 10:17 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 09:24 Jerubaal wrote:
I think the Spurs could be one or two players away from having a good shot against the Warriors.

Does CP3 fit the Spurs system?

CP3 fits into every single basketball system that has ever been invented.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 14 2017 20:40 GMT
#8
He's more ball dominant, but he's a decent 3 point shooter.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-15 15:22:52
June 15 2017 15:17 GMT
#9
I think the Spurs could do with a ball-dominant PG like CP3. Kawhi is becoming very good at playing off-ball, coming off screens and taking positions for post-ups (honestly his playstyle looks more and more second-3peat-Jordan-esque as time passes). And I feel like CP3 is low maintenance in term of needing the ball at all times, he's clearly alright to let someone like Griffin make plays sometimes, and he's a decent catch&shooter. I could see those 2 playing well together.


I wonder if the master plan for Lebron to get another ring is: get traded, play with a young team for 1 year to groom them (Lakers?), and then opt-out of contract to re-sign with them for a discount and bring in another top free agent. Would that be possible?
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
June 16 2017 01:18 GMT
#10
Jerry West leaving the Warriors to join the Clippers. Changing of the guard! Haha. I wonder if his championship pedigree is enough to overcome the lingering stink of Donald Sterling.

It's hard for Lebron to overcome the master plan he put in place in Cleveland. In the four years he played in Miami, they had 3 no. 1 overall picks.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 16 2017 01:55 GMT
#11
The Spurs also have 3 bench players that can play like above average starters for stretches. CP3 could probably coax more consistent production.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
bdonballer
Profile Joined October 2014
United States408 Posts
June 18 2017 11:05 GMT
#12
Celtics traded the #1 pick to the 76s. Any chance that 76s will be any good this year? hah who am I kidding
I carry hard!
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17002 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 16:30:14
June 18 2017 16:14 GMT
#13
Embiid with never be a full time starter capable of playing a full NBA season. His landing mechanics are bad ; changing those mechanics is possible but they are so instinctive that a substantial positive change would require him to put in more work and 24/7 dedication than any other player in the NBA. So I don't see it happening. I see a continued string of injury shortened seasons with limited playing time when he is uninjured.

some injuries are purely accidental. a substantial portion of injuries are not pure accidents.

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 19 2017 02:48 GMT
#14
On June 14 2017 10:17 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 09:24 Jerubaal wrote:
I think the Spurs could be one or two players away from having a good shot against the Warriors.

Does CP3 fit the Spurs system?


No. He pounds it too much and is generally rude.

That said, if you 1-1 did a sign and trade of him for Parker and he took the same salary Parker is making, that would work.
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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-19 03:45:36
June 19 2017 03:21 GMT
#15
i dont for 1 second think george will go to the cavs, unless the pacers really cant get anything more than shumpert + channing fyre or something like that
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 19 2017 13:29 GMT
#16
On June 19 2017 12:21 zev318 wrote:
i dont for 1 second think george will go to the cavs, unless the pacers really cant get anything more than shumpert + channing fyre or something like that

Even when considering three-way deals?
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
June 19 2017 13:52 GMT
#17
On June 19 2017 22:29 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2017 12:21 zev318 wrote:
i dont for 1 second think george will go to the cavs, unless the pacers really cant get anything more than shumpert + channing fyre or something like that

Even when considering three-way deals?


well i think the problem is that the cavs just dont have anything to trade tho, picks wise i believe they cant trade a 1st until 2021. and i think the only player they could trade in your scenario that's worth a damn is kevin love, maybe shumpert. i dont think anyone would want to take on JR smith and his contract, esp if the cavs have no picks to send out.

would replacing love with george be enough to beat the warriors?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-19 14:14:22
June 19 2017 14:03 GMT
#18
On June 19 2017 22:52 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2017 22:29 ZenithM wrote:
On June 19 2017 12:21 zev318 wrote:
i dont for 1 second think george will go to the cavs, unless the pacers really cant get anything more than shumpert + channing fyre or something like that

Even when considering three-way deals?


well i think the problem is that the cavs just dont have anything to trade tho, picks wise i believe they cant trade a 1st until 2021. and i think the only player they could trade in your scenario that's worth a damn is kevin love, maybe shumpert. i dont think anyone would want to take on JR smith and his contract, esp if the cavs have no picks to send out.

would replacing love with george be enough to beat the warriors?

I think it might be worth considering for them. Currently Love's offensive skills are underused and he's out of his depth defensively. Cleveland is essentially using him as a floor spacer and a decent rebounder and that's it. The piece that the Cavs needs is a guy that can slow down Durant 1-on-1, that isn't Lebron (because Lebron will still have to be the main playmaker all throughout a potential series and will have to save energy to do that). Paul George can be that guy. Plus, he is a decent playmaker which the Cavs need badly. Not to mention, he's a good spot-up shooter too.

I don't think this is what brings the Cavs above the Warriors, but it gets closer than with Love imo. I think other teams would also really like Love because I find him underrated (as I said in another thread, he's not used well in the Cavs offense).

A Cavs with PG would allow James to stay on Draymond again and play center-field/safety/libero which he's elite at. There are few pieces in the NBA that the Cavs can switch with Love that improve their chances, most of them are untradable (like Davis and Kawhi :D), but PG is a top choice, and wants out anyway. If the Cavs can do it they will.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
June 19 2017 18:03 GMT
#19
On June 19 2017 23:03 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2017 22:52 zev318 wrote:
On June 19 2017 22:29 ZenithM wrote:
On June 19 2017 12:21 zev318 wrote:
i dont for 1 second think george will go to the cavs, unless the pacers really cant get anything more than shumpert + channing fyre or something like that

Even when considering three-way deals?


well i think the problem is that the cavs just dont have anything to trade tho, picks wise i believe they cant trade a 1st until 2021. and i think the only player they could trade in your scenario that's worth a damn is kevin love, maybe shumpert. i dont think anyone would want to take on JR smith and his contract, esp if the cavs have no picks to send out.

would replacing love with george be enough to beat the warriors?

I think it might be worth considering for them. Currently Love's offensive skills are underused and he's out of his depth defensively. Cleveland is essentially using him as a floor spacer and a decent rebounder and that's it. The piece that the Cavs needs is a guy that can slow down Durant 1-on-1, that isn't Lebron (because Lebron will still have to be the main playmaker all throughout a potential series and will have to save energy to do that). Paul George can be that guy. Plus, he is a decent playmaker which the Cavs need badly. Not to mention, he's a good spot-up shooter too.

I don't think this is what brings the Cavs above the Warriors, but it gets closer than with Love imo. I think other teams would also really like Love because I find him underrated (as I said in another thread, he's not used well in the Cavs offense).

A Cavs with PG would allow James to stay on Draymond again and play center-field/safety/libero which he's elite at. There are few pieces in the NBA that the Cavs can switch with Love that improve their chances, most of them are untradable (like Davis and Kawhi :D), but PG is a top choice, and wants out anyway. If the Cavs can do it they will.


theyd have to get a massive guarantee (like signing a letter with his blood and shit) with PG that he'll resign tho.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-19 21:27:06
June 19 2017 21:25 GMT
#20
I actually think they would be okay with just having him 1 year. Because Lebron. Lebron wants to defeat GWS now because he knows he's declining and his chances will only get worse anyway. Might even just leave the Cavs at the same time as PG (if that was the deal but I don't think it will happen).

All the rumors that are going around the Celtics are just wild :D.
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