EPTOn June 22 2017 22:55 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
Are you saying westbrook is the best player?
Are you saying westbrook is the best player?
Other than the basic stats, there are others, such as NUMBER OF CHAMPIONSHIPS
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Twinkle Toes
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Other than the basic stats, there are others, such as NUMBER OF CHAMPIONSHIPS | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Keyboard Warrior
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On June 22 2017 22:57 Twinkle Toes wrote: Other than the basic stats, there are others, such as NUMBER OF CHAMPIONSHIPS So robert horry is the goat? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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ZenithM
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Who's your current top 5 in the NBA? | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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Lets get back on topic.What are you saying exactly? | ||
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Keyboard Warrior
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This is irrelevant to my point as all im saying is lebron is great, but only in the sense of the present nba values hollow stats over actual performance. but to answer your question, in no particular order: durant, leonard, curry, james, jr smith lol j/k, harden, and i could name a few others of similar level | ||
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Keyboard Warrior
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On June 22 2017 22:57 Twinkle Toes wrote: Other than the basic stats, there are others, such as NUMBER OF CHAMPIONSHIPS That lbj is overrated. real all-time-greats such as jordan, shaq, kobe, jabar, and others will take over the game in crucial moments. lbj is too conscious of his stats, his legacy is suffering because of it. lucky him he won three already mostly because of his teammates ray allen, irving, and wade, but without them, he is nothing more than a more efficient westbrook who has more control over his team | ||
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ZenithM
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Inb4 "but James Jones did as well hurr durr". "Nothing more than a more efficient Westbrook"... What a ridiculous thing to say. That's like saying that Jordan was nothing more than a more efficient Kobe. | ||
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Scarecrow
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On June 22 2017 23:22 Keyboard Warrior wrote: That lbj is overrated. real all-time-greats such as jordan, shaq, kobe, jabar, and others will take over the game in crucial moments. lbj is too conscious of his stats, his legacy is suffering because of it. lucky him he won three already mostly because of his teammates ray allen, irving, and wade, but without them, he is nothing more than a more efficient westbrook who has more control over his team There's no point talking to this guy, clearly a troll. Just look at his username | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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On June 22 2017 23:22 Keyboard Warrior wrote: That lbj is overrated. real all-time-greats such as jordan, shaq, kobe, jabar, and others will take over the game in crucial moments. lbj is too conscious of his stats, his legacy is suffering because of it. lucky him he won three already mostly because of his teammates ray allen, irving, and wade, but without them, he is nothing more than a more efficient westbrook who has more control over his team Really? That's it? It's clear to everyone here that you're not a Lebron fan, but what I'm asking is if Lebron's accolade is not measurement for you, then what is? And additionally, who would you consider are greats, present or retired, and on what basis? | ||
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Keyboard Warrior
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Twinkle Toes
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On June 22 2017 23:36 Keyboard Warrior wrote: I may be opinionated but i am not a troll. i mean its difficult to realize at first, considering all the media hype that's been shoved down our throats. but consider the facts. the cavs are a great team, and lebron single handedly held them back from winning against gsw. 7 straight years in the east you say? thats because the east is a fucking amateur party. Put any top 4-5 teams in the east and they would make it out of the east ezpz You got some valid points but you gotta do better than this man. You have very poor arguments supporting your point. Answer this, how is Lebron holding the Cavs back? | ||
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Keyboard Warrior
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ZenithM
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lebron single handedly held them back from winning against gsw Usually you'd say that about someone you can just remove from the roster and the roster becomes better... You don't say "single-handedly holds back" of the best player on the team... And anyway, even without looking at stats, when I watched the finals I thought Lebron played very well. He just wasn't able to be effective enough defensively. On June 22 2017 23:54 Keyboard Warrior wrote: Replace lbj with durant or curry and they become champions. lbj to the warriors sends them packing vs. spurs, and maybe even the rockets Keyboard Warrior indeed. And that Spurs argument is funny considering the Warriors were losing by a lot when Kawhi luckily went down. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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On June 22 2017 23:54 Keyboard Warrior wrote: Replace lbj with durant or curry and they become champions. lbj to the warriors sends them packing vs. spurs, and maybe even the rockets That's your CLAIM. Now where is your EVIDENCE for that claim? | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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On June 22 2017 23:56 ZenithM wrote: Usually you'd say that about someone you can just remove from the roster and the roster becomes better... You don't say "single-handedly holds back" of the best player on the team... And anyway, even without looking at stats, when I watched the finals I thought Lebron played very well. He just wasn't able to be effective enough defensively. Keyboard Warrior indeed. And that Spurs argument is funny considering the Warriors were losing by a lot when Kawhi luckily went down. I really wonder how young these guys are. Someone last time even boasted about watching games live or something like that. I mean, youth is not a crime, but when your ignorance is a result of your being too young to understand, then it's a bad thing. Anyways, good thing this is brought up, the thing about SAS vs. GSW. Are we just talking about game one of hypothetically the entire series? Who here believes the Spurs could have won against the Warriors? We'll be diving into speculation here since the point is moot, but this is a good topic nonetheless. The threeish quarters domination of the Spurs was more of a Pop thing than an indicator that the Spurs would win the series. If there is a time to beat a strong opponent in a series, it is usually in the first game(s), when you can catch them offguard. The Spurs really strangled Golden State's three up until Kawhi went down, and KD was virtually hand held by the defense. Spurs may have won that game, but eventually though, I think the Warriors would have won merely on the account of their firepower. Moreoiver, their sets can wreck havoc on the Spurs with guys like Gasol and Mills. Finally, GSW would have figured out a way to attack LMA. I can't wait to see roster improvements over the offseason. The Spurs are making a run for Porzingis as well, that would be nice. | ||
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Keyboard Warrior
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On June 22 2017 23:56 ZenithM wrote: Usually you'd say that about someone you can just remove from the roster and the roster becomes better... You don't say "single-handedly holds back" of the best player on the team... And anyway, even without looking at stats, when I watched the finals I thought Lebron played very well. He just wasn't able to be effective enough defensively. Keyboard Warrior indeed. And that Spurs argument is funny considering the Warriors were losing by a lot when Kawhi luckily went down. If you had a valid reply against me, you wouldnt resort to ad hominem. All you lebron stan should not be butthurt about his failures | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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LBJ has far and away the best +/- on the Cavs because he is far and away the best player on the Cavs. No other player separates himself in +/- on the positive side from his team mates as much as LBJ does. The concept that he somehow is wrecking everyone else on teh team is absurd. The only comparable to LBJ and his spread away from his team mates in Raw +/- and adjusted +/- is in another sport. That'd be Bobby Orr. xRAPM has not been around long and its too much of a black box to make reliable historical conclusions. However, LBJ is the xRAPM leader because he is the best player in the league. LBJ is the best player in the NBA by a small margin. imo, LBJ has declined a small amount from age 28 to 32. We can keep arguing this for 5 years and then when he is 38 you can say.. "see i told you he isn't that good.. and i predicted it before any one else". forgetting all stats. i've watched ~50 games live in the past 5 years including ~10 LBJ games. based on what i see with my own eyes LBJ is the best player in the NBA by a small margin. someone could argue a certain other player might be slightly better; and its possible they could be; i have not watched enough games to say for sure. the notion that several NBA-ers are substantially better than LBJ does not pass the eye test. It also does not pass the +/- test. | ||
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Keyboard Warrior
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On June 22 2017 23:59 Twinkle Toes wrote: That's your CLAIM. Now where is your EVIDENCE for that claim? He is not a finisher. he is a one-dimensional scorer. he is a horrible one-trick "playmaker". he chokes and cramps on important plays. he is a bad defender. he is a unabashed ringchaser. if you put him in gsw, what he did to stagnate korver, love, smith, and irving, he will do to he warriors. | ||
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