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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
July 05 2017 19:12 GMT
#561
GSW confirmed to be 2018 NBA champions.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 05 2017 19:18 GMT
#562
Warriors just got a lot more swag.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 05 2017 22:09 GMT
#563
If only Iggy was still around.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
July 06 2017 04:14 GMT
#564
oh hey just realized otto porter is born literally on the same day as me

also that seems like an insane salary

i understand salaries rose but holy moly that much for him?
TL/SKT
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
July 06 2017 12:12 GMT
#565
On July 06 2017 13:14 dsyxelic wrote:
oh hey just realized otto porter is born literally on the same day as me

also that seems like an insane salary

i understand salaries rose but holy moly that much for him?

There is a not-so-small chance that people will be talking about "trading Otto Porter's shit contract" in a few seasons. $104 million for 4? For Otto Porter? Damn.

In 3 years, Nets will either have:

1- D'Angelo Russell's shit contract
2- Timofey Mozgov's shit contract
3- Otto Porter's shit contract

Or:

1- D'Angelo Russell becomes an All-Star.
2- Otto Porter becomes an All-Star.
3- Timofey Mozgov's contract ends and they snatch a big name free agent, like Karl Anthony Towns, and Nets become a fucking super team.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17002 Posts
July 06 2017 13:13 GMT
#566
With 2-way contracts part of the current CBA the G-League ( used to be the D-League ) has the legitimacy of AHL hockey or AAA baseball.

https://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/ywzepv/how-the-nbas-new-two-way-contracts-will-affect-the-draft-and-beyond
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Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-06 13:57:00
July 06 2017 13:48 GMT
#567
^lol

Anyway, here's a more relevant and meaningful post. I saw it on reddit and conducted an investigation myself, the results are eyeopening and completely shocking. Comparison of kobe and lebron in clutch situations. clutch here is defined as 2 minutes with at most 3 points. Op limited it to playoffs and finals,

Playoffs:
Kobe
- 40/96 in clutch situations.
- FT 67/79
- TS 58 %
- Assists per 36: 4.3 assists
- TO per 36: 1.7 turnovers

Lebron
- 40/106 in clutch situation
- FT 49/67
- TS 49.8%
- Assist per 36: 4.2 assists
- TO per 36: 4.2 turnovers


Finals:

Kobe
- 10/20 in clutch situations
- FT 4/5
- TS 56.4%
- Assists per 36: 7.5 assists
- TO per 36: 1.5TO

Lebron
- 4/23 in clutch situations
- TS 10/14
- TS 31%
- Assists per 36: 3.7 assists
- TO per 36: 3.7 assists

In addition, i found out the following valuable "clutch" statistics as well

Kobe USG% regular season: 31.4%
Kobe USG% postseason: 39.8%

lebron USG% regular season: 32.1%
lebron USG% postseason: 26.3%

Number of game winners/equalizers taken in clutch situations:
Kobe: 18/24
lebron: 4/15



tldr:
1. Kobe is more clutch than lebron in clutch situations
2. Kobe is a BETTER PLAYMAKER than lebron in clucth situations
3. Kobe becomes more aggressive in clutch situations in the postseason compared to the regular season
4. lebron wilts in clutch situations in the postseason compared to the regular season
5. Kobe rises to the challenge to take the last shot in clutch situations: 75%
6. lebron is cowardly and hides from the challenge of taking the last shot in clutch situations: 27%


stlsdr
Kobe is clutch, lelbron is not. Kobe >>> lebron


TAKE THAT FOR DATA!

Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 06 2017 14:10 GMT
#568
Amazing. Just pure, unadulterated, poetry on the screen.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17002 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-06 14:36:28
July 06 2017 14:31 GMT
#569
ya, but Kobe's 1 legged hard landings shortened his career.
LBJ's landing mechanics are far better making him more durable and less injury prone.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 06 2017 14:37 GMT
#570
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Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
July 06 2017 14:52 GMT
#571
I too saw that in a youtube video. Lemme find it.
Here it is:


You really are a troll arent you. Posting irrelevant threads as if you were paid by the click, still posting about statistics after everyone destroyed you on it, and now claiming as if that knowledge if yours lol gtfo.

JimmiC, ignore him. He is an internet troll who coppies what he sees mindlessly and baiting us all in a heated discussion, smdh
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17002 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-06 15:08:32
July 06 2017 14:55 GMT
#572
Dion Waiters signs with Miami for 4 years for $52 million.
http://heatzone.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/07/05/dion-waiters-set-to-return-to-miami-finalizing-deal-with-heat/

Miami still has 19 million in cap space and $14 million in cap holds so they should be able to retain their players.

Miami still has plenty of cap space.
On July 06 2017 23:52 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
I too saw that in a youtube video. Lemme find it.
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFLKPq_86A4

You really are a troll arent you. Posting irrelevant threads as if you were paid by the click, still posting about statistics after everyone destroyed you on it, and now claiming as if that knowledge if yours lol gtfo.

JimmiC, ignore him. He is an internet troll who coppies what he sees mindlessly and baiting us all in a heated discussion, smdh

careful,
if you keep this up people are going to start claiming that you are me.
thanks for reposting the video i posted months ago.

On July 06 2017 23:37 JimmiC wrote:
So with kobe playing 1346 reg season and 220 playoff games over 20 years, Damn injury shortened Career!
I guess based on this we can expect Lebron to played 40 years?

after age 34 bryant was a shadow of his former self due to knee and achilles injuries caused by bad landing mechanics. so yep injuries shortened his career.
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Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
July 06 2017 15:03 GMT
#573
I give credit to my sources AND add to them for the sake of discussion. You on the other hand post bs stuff nobody cares about.
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-06 15:12:05
July 06 2017 15:10 GMT
#574
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-06 15:21:08
July 06 2017 15:17 GMT
#575
Your general trolly style aside, there is truth to this.

As a Lebron fan, I admit his greatness lies elsewhere. I realized something while I was watching the finals with friends. In sure-to-win games, or in the first three quarters, Lebron will produce monster numbers. But when the game is on the line, Lebron is not deadly at all. He is a great player, but he does not command the same fear and respect other killers do, like MJ, Kobe, and Durant. Coaches and players have long known Kobe as a deadly clutch player, hence the automatic double and triple teams. We are lucky that Kobe has the ego to shoot and make difficult shots over double and triple teams, the classic Kobe shot. It's good for "spectatorship". The great JVG said it best, "The GOAT argument is controversial, the most skillful player argument is debatable, but there is no doubt that Kobe is the greatest difficult shotmaker of all time." Mike Breen and Mark J could barely contain their awe and laughter after hearing that.

Although the thing that surprises me from your post is the assist-to ratio. I think this has to do with Kobe being wiser and having better handles. Lebron's playmaking is different from traditional playmaking of say Stockton and CP3 in the sense that they manipulate, bend, and unravel the defense on the dribble while actively forcing and allowing the play to develop and make the best pass. In Lebron's case, no one is threatened of being crossed or shimmied by him so most perimeter coverage is single. Lebron makes his plays by pounding hard into the paint and attracting the double and from there, it is simply a matter of finding the open man.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17002 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-06 15:20:49
July 06 2017 15:17 GMT
#576
bad landing mechanics cause leg injuries. we've been over it before.

Bryant had right knee surgeries in 2003, 2006 and 2010. He started landing more and more on his left leg only as the right knee surgeries piled up. He has a lot of work done on that knee in general.. long before age 35.

http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5405418

To conclude: LBJ has excellent landing mechanics. As he enters his mid 30s it'll be interesting to see how long he goes before his body breaks down.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
July 06 2017 15:22 GMT
#577
Where is your proof that lbj has good landing mechanics???
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 06 2017 15:22 GMT
#578
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17002 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-06 15:31:09
July 06 2017 15:26 GMT
#579
On July 07 2017 00:22 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
Where is your proof that lbj has good landing mechanics???

same video series that i've already posted. and you reposted. so just for nostalgic purposes i'll repost it.



13 minutes.

also, my own observations indicate his landing mechanics are good. someone else doesn't have to say it for me to say it. but, the video provides actual examples so i posted it.

me and my Kobe-fan-boy friends all noticed Kobe's left leg only landings years before the video of it was made. its hard to miss if you watched Kobe game-in and game-out.

Kobe was awesome and always put on a great show when he came 1 time per year to Toronto. In today's NBA he'd probably be encouraged to take a "rest day".
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
July 06 2017 15:31 GMT
#580
About that yt video, yeah, I saw that too. But I think it's insufficient.

After watching that, I became more conscious in watching landing mechanics of players after layups and dunks. From my non-comprehensive observation, none consistently have what that video would call a good landing mechanics of landing with the ball first. Carter, Jordan, Barkley, Duncan, Shaq, Sonics Ray Allen, Iverson, and a few others have bad landing mechanics, but it really didn't cause significant injuries similar to Kobe's. Maybe it's a factor (I doubt the creator of the video is a physiotherapist or whatever medical professional is knowledgeable in landing mechanics), but it is not THE factor.
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