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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 28 2017 11:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 06:01 Pandemona wrote:On June 28 2017 04:24 lprk wrote:On June 28 2017 04:19 Pandemona wrote:On June 28 2017 04:08 lprk wrote:
Almost all German players played 30+ games in much better league. Now now, 30 plus games in a league which has 3 weeks break and 20 less games a season due to it being a small league! Outside of playing vs Dortmund or Bayern there is not much quality  oh and i guess red bull are pretty strong this year  If Bundesliga have only 3 teams with quality then Premier League have 0. English lkeague level is laughable recently even comparing to Bundesliga and even to Serie A. Lol take Bayern out of Bundesliga and there teams in Europe fare as well as English? Its only the Europa league but Yanited won that at a canter and finished a mere 6th domestically? Where was the representation from Bundesliga? German teams consistently represent in higher numbers than English teams in the past several years. Our coefficient has been better overall over the past how many seasons as well. English quality is just a media hype train that they won't let go of. The only thing that makes German teams not look competitive is 1) Bayern's dominance and 2) the fact that there's more parity in Germany and the teams that reach Europe are different each year.
It's ONE team doing that Bayern average semi finals every year, other than that the rest of the German teams get to RO16 only. Europa where have they been past 2-3 seasons. England been in finals in last 2 seasons etc. The coefficient is because we don't get past quarter finals these days but Bayern always get to RO8/RO4 but if they ain't classified im sure the German coefficient goes with em.
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UEFA Champions League points system
First qualifying round elimination – 0.5 points
Second qualifying round elimination – 1 point
Group stage bonus participation – 4 points
Group stage win – 2 points
Group stage draw – 1 point
Round of 16 bonus participation – 4 points
Clubs are also awarded an additional point if they reach the round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final.
Most of the points come from group stage and round of 16, after that, it's a very minimal point gain whether you go far or not.
Bundesliga has the best games but PL has the best overall level. Bundesliga has the edge when it comes to top teams in recent years but it could quickly change. We have to wait and see how Leipzig does as it's basically a PL club in Bundesliga
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah they defo a premier league club as they are asking £70million for Keita which is absurd lol
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On June 28 2017 17:23 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +UEFA Champions League points system
First qualifying round elimination – 0.5 points
Second qualifying round elimination – 1 point
Group stage bonus participation – 4 points
Group stage win – 2 points
Group stage draw – 1 point
Round of 16 bonus participation – 4 points
Clubs are also awarded an additional point if they reach the round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final. Most of the points come from group stage and round of 16, after that, it's a very minimal point gain whether you go far or not. Bundesliga has the best games but PL has the best overall level. Bundesliga has the edge when it comes to top teams in recent years but it could quickly change. We have to wait and see how Leipzig does as it's basically a PL club in Bundesliga
If the league have better games it has also better level.
Most Premier League clubs just splash money on random players based on their youtube compilations and end up fielding teams with no synergy playing without any system. Premier league overall level is actually quite shocking, watching some of the matches is like watching 22 headless chicken run for 90 minutes.
There is also this stuipid physicality obsession when a lot of good players get closed in the gym for few months and lose all the technique and agility.
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Yes, I've actually stopped watching most non-big EPL games in favour of midtable La Liga, Bundesliga and Serie A by the halfway of last season and it's so much more entartaining that I feel really bad I didn't start doing this much earlier. Personally I don't care about competitivness of a league (which Premier Legue wasn't too competitive) when all teams are garbage.
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On June 28 2017 17:34 lprk wrote:
If the league have better games it has also better level.
I disagree on this point, the quality of the game from a spectator perspective is something different from the level of play. And Bundesliga is miles ahead of PL in that aspect imo but it's very subjective.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah i can tell you don't care for competitiveness if you watching Bundesliga or Serie A games when the season is over pretty much by "winter break" xD
Im not trying to say Premier League is the forefront and what every league should be i just saying that pretty much every team has a big star whether that be in terms of manager of a start studded player. I mean Liverpool were finishing 5-8th with Gerrard as arguably top 5 centre midfielder in the game period. Then you can list every team and now a player or two on a world wide stage, whether they paid 100x to much for him or not it still has that draw. Outside of watching a lower bundesliga/la liga/serie a team vs one of the big guns i have no interest in said teams because they have no draw.
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On June 28 2017 16:44 Pandemona wrote:
It's ONE team doing that Bayern average semi finals every year, other than that the rest of the German teams get to RO16 only. Europa where have they been past 2-3 seasons. England been in finals in last 2 seasons etc. The coefficient is because we don't get past quarter finals these days but Bayern always get to RO8/RO4 but if they ain't classified im sure the German coefficient goes with em.
I thought it would be interesting to see those number so I decided to do some research:
I decided to use the last four years as they are the foundation of the coefficents for next year. Involving the 5th year would make it look a little bit better for germany as, but wouldnt change that much. To keep it fail i did take away the pints that City (suprisingly the team collecting the most points) scored from the english points.
Coefficents with every team involved:
13/14 14/15 15/16 16/17 Total
England : 16.78 13.57 14.25 12.64 57,24
Germany: 14.71 15.85 16.42 12.28 59,26
Situation without Bayern and City:
13/14 14/15 15/16 16/17 Total
England : 16,41 13,33 12,57 12,08 54,39
Germany: 12,66 13,83 14,33 11,33 52,16
teams and the total number of points they scored:
+ Show Spoiler +
England:
(City 76)
Arsenal 71,5
Chelsea 64
United 64
Tottenham 46
Liverpool 32
Leicester 18
Everton 14
Swansea 9,5
Southampton 8,5
Westham 5
Wigan 4
Hull 2,5
Germany:
(Bayern 102)
Dortmund 79
Leverkusen 65
Schalke 63,5
Wolfsburg 40
Gladbach 29
Frankfurt 14
Mainz 8
Augsburg 7
Freiburg 5
Hertha 1
Hope i didn´t do any mistake 
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Thanks for that XPA, backs my point up to the fact that you take away Bayern from Germany and England looks better than them in Europe!
Be interesting this upcoming season too with England having 5 in the champions league (even though one is stupid is spurs...) but due to Bayern were pretty poor considering there high standards last year.
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On June 28 2017 22:09 XPA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 16:44 Pandemona wrote:
It's ONE team doing that Bayern average semi finals every year, other than that the rest of the German teams get to RO16 only. Europa where have they been past 2-3 seasons. England been in finals in last 2 seasons etc. The coefficient is because we don't get past quarter finals these days but Bayern always get to RO8/RO4 but if they ain't classified im sure the German coefficient goes with em. I thought it would be interesting to see those number so I decided to do some research: I decided to use the last four years as they are the foundation of the coefficents for next year. Involving the 5th year would make it look a little bit better for germany as, but wouldnt change that much. To keep it fail i did take away the pints that City (suprisingly the team collecting the most points) scored from the english points. Coefficents with every team involved: 13/14 14/15 15/16 16/17 TotalEngland : 16.78 13.57 14.25 12.64 57,24Germany: 14.71 15.85 16.42 12.28 59,26Situation without Bayern and City: 13/14 14/15 15/16 16/17 TotalEngland : 16,41 13,33 12,57 12,08 54,39Germany: 12,66 13,83 14,33 11,33 52,16teams and the total number of points they scored: + Show Spoiler +
England:
(City 76)
Arsenal 71,5
Chelsea 64
United 64
Tottenham 46
Liverpool 32
Leicester 18
Everton 14
Swansea 9,5
Southampton 8,5
Westham 5
Wigan 4
Hull 2,5
Germany:
(Bayern 102)
Dortmund 79
Leverkusen 65
Schalke 63,5
Wolfsburg 40
Gladbach 29
Frankfurt 14
Mainz 8
Augsburg 7
Freiburg 5
Hertha 1
Hope i didn´t do any mistake
Actually a fairer way to analyse would be to remove the difference in points that Bayern has beyond the top English performer.
Its kinda unfair to remove the best performer for one that is putting in so much work compared to the other one that is basically making par with the rest or only slightly outperforming them and is not particularly relevant. It could be any one of the
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On June 29 2017 00:03 Pandemona wrote:But that was my point lol. That Bundesliga is just Bayern and if you take them away there league is average, but someone countered saying that isn't true if you look at coefficient rankings Bundesliga > Premier league in Europe. But as my point is backed up without Bayern in it (or City England's best performer lately) then we are ahead. This season going to be the one where i need my Premier League teams to back me up so i can be more annoying to everyone :D but when teams like Spurs just choke every game they play at Wembley and in Europe i am not to hopeful
No its not the same at all. I said remove the difference in points between the top 1 from each league not remove the top 2 all together.
Or well now that I think about it , the net difference would be minimal in either case.
Edit: to spell it out. Since Pande is easy to confuse
The two cases I am referring to are where you remove either both top teams from each league and count or if you just remove the difference in points between the top teams in each league.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Bayern is 102 vs City 78; difference being 26 points
Arsenal 71.5 vs Dortmund 79; difference being 8.5 points
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On June 29 2017 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Bayern is 102 vs City 78; difference being 26 points
Arsenal 71.5 vs Dortmund 79; difference being 8.5 points
Wow math.. When I say difference in the second point, I mean the net difference to the coefficients not the difference in points between clubs. Anyone can plus minus lol. Give me some credit man.. or may I shouldnt take your ability to follow things for granted. Admittedly my wording is lazy and I did a poor job of explaining what I was saying.
whats your point though?
The Bundesliga and England are both average ?
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wow arsenal made second most points for England? how sucky is the premier league?
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Norway28910 Posts
(until this season) they always qualify and always qualify from group stage. As shown by the point calculation, that's the most important.
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What the hell do we have VAR for if it isn't going to be used? That was a textbook example for a review even if you don't reverse call afterwards.
Seriously wtf
e gif: https://my.mixtape.moe/enhsnz.mp4
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Im dying here
And so is every coworker, it's 16:30 here right now
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EPT
