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Edit: Also with this happening 5 teams of 1860 München are getting relegated this season. The 1st team, the U21, the U19, the U17 and the U16.
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
Edit: Also with this happening 5 teams of 1860 München are getting relegated this season. The 1st team, the U21, the U19, the U17 and the U16. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On May 31 2017 03:12 TheNewEra wrote: Pretty crazy. Yesterday was Kindergeburtstag compared to this. Wasn't there once a RB game that got abandoned because of a lighter being thrown on a field? Or did that hit someone and it was abandoned because of the "hit". This game definitely shouldn't have been played to the end. Wonder who made that call. It didn't look like it was the ref. Was Osnabrück v Leipzig and the lighter hit the refs head. I think generally the final call to abandon lies with the referee, so short of police telling him to stick with it because abandoning it would just cause more unrest I think that was his call alone. Also good point on plastics/metal, that was just me parroting the commentator | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
On May 30 2017 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Really?? Guy's had one top season at a competitive level in Portuguese league, i can't remember anything of note from him save wise in the champions league? He also already better than Courtois/Neuer/Buffon/Donnarumma/De Gea/Navas/TerStegen even is useful keeper to be fair? There is so many top keepers you can't seriously say that this guy after 1 top season as a pro in competitive league is better than everything else. Plus the money i have seen for him is very big He was monstrous vs Dortmund. GKs aren't easy to compare and I honestly haven't watched a lot of Donnarumms and I'm obviously biased. I'll say that Benfica fans knew Oblak would become ore of the best if not the best La Liga gk and Ederson is better than him. Sure there are risks going into a new league but the Buffonesque transfer fee that's being talked in the media isn't a mistake. | ||
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
On May 31 2017 02:52 TheNewEra wrote: 1860 fans trying their hardest to let everyone forget about us When 1860 hired Vitor Pereira we were joking about possibilities of 1860 relegate at the end of season. Yet these were just jokes.. Now it really happened. Turkish twitter having sooooo much fun atm. ![[image loading]](https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-29-2016/rsIZ21.gif) | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On May 31 2017 03:41 sneirac wrote: Was Osnabrück v Leipzig and the lighter hit the refs head. I think generally the final call to abandon lies with the referee, so short of police telling him to stick with it because abandoning it would just cause more unrest I think that was his call alone. Also good point on plastics/metal, that was just me parroting the commentator I am not an expert but i rhink the police/teams/refs handled this situation really well except for two things. Everyone stayed calm, the police did not go into the block (i never understood what exacly they achieve there anyway) and they just waited. It felt like "alright do your stuff, we have all night". What i dont quite understand was why the game was played so long after. To my understanding the clock kept running and the ref is the only one who decides how long the extra time is. Yea they had to play a few minutes so 1860 couldnt claim a regame but that felt way longer. The second thing is why didnt they swap sides and let Regensburg play in front of their fans were it was safe? The anger and hate was clearly against the management and not the players. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 31 2017 05:23 Micro_Jackson wrote: I am not an expert but i rhink the police/teams/refs handled this situation really well except for two things. Everyone stayed calm, the police did not go into the block (i never understood what exacly they achieve there anyway) and they just waited. It felt like "alright do your stuff, we have all night". What i dont quite understand was why the game was played so long after. To my understanding the clock kept running and the ref is the only one who decides how long the extra time is. Yea they had to play a few minutes so 1860 couldnt claim a regame but that felt way longer. The second thing is why didnt they swap sides and let Regensburg play in front of their fans were it was safe? The anger and hate was clearly against the management and not the players. Addressing your point about extra time: Well it was already shortened alot. The game was interrupted for like 16mins? And the ref administerd an extra time of like 8-10 mins. Not what you were saying but he already shortened alot | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On May 31 2017 05:23 Micro_Jackson wrote: I am not an expert but i rhink the police/teams/refs handled this situation really well except for two things. Everyone stayed calm, the police did not go into the block (i never understood what exacly they achieve there anyway) and they just waited. It felt like "alright do your stuff, we have all night". What i dont quite understand was why the game was played so long after. To my understanding the clock kept running and the ref is the only one who decides how long the extra time is. Yea they had to play a few minutes so 1860 couldnt claim a regame but that felt way longer. The second thing is why didnt they swap sides and let Regensburg play in front of their fans were it was safe? The anger and hate was clearly against the management and not the players. Nah as TheNewEra already said the added time was probably even short. Looking at Sportschau commentary, break started 82nd, game continued 96th, final whistle 106th. I was confused why they let clock run in the first place, normally if game is suspended like that they just stop the clock and restart it, see for instance that Wolfsburg game from 33rd week that was stopped 30 minutes because of a thunderstorm. Tho maybe they just underestimated how bad this rioting was gonna be. Yeah I thought that too about swapping sides, but I don't think that is actually possible within the rules. Additionally it likely wouldn't have helped at all, the 1860 fans were more pissed at their own team than at their opponents. Agreed on not sending police in and escalating it further, that never works. I would criticize whoever came up with sending Bierofka in there to calm things down, because he just fired everyone up even more. Well at least there were quite a few idiots and I don't remember many masks, so maybe they can come down hard on this. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 31 2017 05:55 sneirac wrote: Nah as TheNewEra already said the added time was probably even short. Looking at Sportschau commentary, break started 82nd, game continued 96th, final whistle 106th. I was confused why they let clock run in the first place, normally if game is suspended like that they just stop the clock and restart it, see for instance that Wolfsburg game from 33rd week that was stopped 30 minutes because of a thunderstorm. Tho maybe they just underestimated how bad this rioting was gonna be. Yeah I thought that too about swapping sides, but I don't think that is actually possible within the rules. Additionally it likely wouldn't have helped at all, the 1860 fans were more pissed at their own team than at their opponents. Agreed on not sending police in and escalating it further, that never works. I would criticize whoever came up with sending Bierofka in there to calm things down, because he just fired everyone up even more. Well at least there were quite a few idiots and I don't remember many masks, so maybe they can come down hard on this. The Bierofka thing actually shocked me the most. He is an 1860 legend and 1860 fans told me he is basically the only one in the club who is still liked by the fans and he is going to be their next coach (huge probability). That they actually started to throw things after him shook me | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Sky Sports Article | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8715 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
would a better manager do better with those players ? i know Arsenal isnt a bad team per se, but i wonder if better managers would do better with what Arsenal have, which is a top team overall but is not like something that would aim for SF in CL or Top1 in england. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
Let's see what happens with their players now, because it feels like Sanchez is definitely gone and Özil might leave too. + Show Spoiler [damage from relegation game] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/O5KoMDF.jpg) e: On May 31 2017 23:08 Faruko wrote: I do want to ask would a better manager do better with those players ? i know Arsenal isnt a bad team per se, but i wonder if better managers would do better with what Arsenal have, which is a top team overall but is not like something that would aim for SF in CL or Top1 in england. Well one if not the main weakness seems to be lack of mental strength. They are always among worst when you just look at performance against rest of top 6 and have completely fallen apart in the CL several times. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On May 31 2017 23:09 sneirac wrote: They are going to need a season on the level of Chelsea 2015/16 to get rid of him if this season wasn't enough. Most annoying part remains that this clearly was decided months ago and they just waited for the right timing. Let's see what happens with their players now, because it feels like Sanchez is definitely gone and Özil might leave too. + Show Spoiler [damage from relegation game] + e: Well one if not the main weakness seems to be lack of mental strength. They are always among worst when you just look at performance against rest of top 6 and have completely fallen apart in the CL several times. 1860 München, perfect renters to the very end, they even helped removing the seats so the new, red ones can be installed sooner.... | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Would some managers fail more than him with that squad yes of course, but im sure there is some that would do better. Most probably would have changed how the team works earlier. No one has said Wenger is a bad manager minus Mourinho, but the guy is from and old school era and has always struggled to adapt which has been highlighted in the past years. He loves that club, he loves his job but you can't continue with the same guy year in and year out. For me he should have gotten a 1 year contract to fix the crap he delivered this year to get back into the top 4 and then if he achieves that you can give him another 1 year deal etc. To give him a 2 year deal right now seems a bit daft, especially if this time next year they finish 5th again, do nothing in the crappy Europa League and have a decent run only in a domestic cup. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
But its been a few years after that, and honestly Alexis and Ozil are only 2 big signings that Arsenal has done. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 01 2017 00:37 Faruko wrote: The only years i could understand him not wasting much money were those when they built the stadium honestly. But its been a few years after that, and honestly Alexis and Ozil are only 2 big signings that Arsenal has done. Cough *Xhaka* cough.. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
what a player lul | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
what would u guys prefer? never firing your manager or changing your manager like every 2-3 years, given his results? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
However Wenger is a good manager and again you can only give "maybe" answers to if someone else could have done a better job than him or not. Next season is so big for him though, he has to get back into the top 4 and he has to compete for longer in the title race thats for sure. If he fails on both accounts surely they have to move him on? Can't have 2 seasons without Champions league football. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18086 Posts
On June 01 2017 02:19 Pandemona wrote: See Chelsea kinda paved a way for the changing of the manager as it has gotten us alot of great results. Not saying it is the right way, but the way we do it at our club is working for us so far. Can argue Real Madrid has a similar ruthless approach and are back to being a force on all fronts. However Wenger is a good manager and again you can only give "maybe" answers to if someone else could have done a better job than him or not. Next season is so big for him though, he has to get back into the top 4 and he has to compete for longer in the title race thats for sure. If he fails on both accounts surely they have to move him on? Can't have 2 seasons without Champions league football. You're trying to advocate that they way the players mutineed against Mou was a symptom of good managerial skills that other teams should follow?! | ||
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