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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
June 01 2017 18:30 GMT
#5641
We have talked about this last summer. My opinion hasn't changed. Money losts its meaning because of interests rate (Germany 2004 had 3,5% vs today 0,15%). So throwing some money is better than keep it at the bank => getting some objects/properties (players) is better.

Bayern bought Javier Martinez for 40m€ in 2012. Beckenbauer said: "Interests rate is so low, we better invest some money in players than bank".

Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6290 Posts
June 01 2017 19:37 GMT
#5642
The problem for tv stations is that regular tv is in a decline. Sports however still attracts a looot of viewers. That's one of the reasons tv rights for sports have exploded.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
June 01 2017 22:39 GMT
#5643
I wonder if we will see a Netflix kind of company for sports, althou DirecTV is something like that is NOT exactly Netflix-like
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
June 01 2017 22:54 GMT
#5644
On June 02 2017 07:39 Faruko wrote:
I wonder if we will see a Netflix kind of company for sports, althou DirecTV is something like that is NOT exactly Netflix-like

DAZN even tho it is only available in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Japan
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
June 02 2017 00:47 GMT
#5645
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 02 2017 07:53 GMT
#5646
Wow £150million lol
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18697 Posts
June 02 2017 07:56 GMT
#5647
Merit money is based on league position right? They are quite some differnces between positions. So why do mid table teams not care about that towards the end of the seasons?
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-02 08:38:15
June 02 2017 08:37 GMT
#5648
I'm still wondering why there aren't any flexible streaming options. Dazn in Germany is not too expensive I guess but if you want to watch Bundesliga prices are too high imo. I guess I'm not the only one "lacking" money for luxury items/services.
Bundesliga is like what... 40€ but you get all the games and have to get the additional standard sky stuff.

Now I'd want something like "all bvb and chelsea (lol) games for 15€". i'd lose atleast 95% of what the standard package offers but I'll never watch all of that anyway. Guess we don't have the infrastructure....

iirc atleast the nba offers a team pass. why is that not a thing?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 02 2017 08:50 GMT
#5649
Yeah i think the American system is way better for streaming. One of my poker streamers literally went onto the Baseball website for example (MLB?) and bought a season pass and can stream whatever game he wants online for whatever price it is. No idea if it good value but you can't do that at all in England due to our amazing 3pm black outs on Saturday's which are still a thing.

I too would also pay a fee to watch all matches for selected teams that would be good. Never going happen in UK though due to our terrible black out laws xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-02 09:33:58
June 02 2017 09:15 GMT
#5650
Sunderland coming last and been relegated got more this year than Leicester got from winning the League last year. That's some serious inflation.

BBC article largely the same.

Interesting article about Wenger, Arsenal and the top 4 in general.

Big 5 graph is pretty fun
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
June 02 2017 11:41 GMT
#5651
The real scandal is giving ManU money for the games they produced.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
June 02 2017 12:07 GMT
#5652
On June 02 2017 17:37 smr wrote:
I'm still wondering why there aren't any flexible streaming options. Dazn in Germany is not too expensive I guess but if you want to watch Bundesliga prices are too high imo. I guess I'm not the only one "lacking" money for luxury items/services.
Bundesliga is like what... 40€ but you get all the games and have to get the additional standard sky stuff.

Now I'd want something like "all bvb and chelsea (lol) games for 15€". i'd lose atleast 95% of what the standard package offers but I'll never watch all of that anyway. Guess we don't have the infrastructure....

iirc atleast the nba offers a team pass. why is that not a thing?

I think rights are just too expensive for that. Add to it that Bundesliga also moves to two different broadcasters next season, tho Sky will still hold the bulk. Right now you could still get them with one subscription but that could change or prices could go up.
I still got Sky for €25 a month from a christmas deal 2015 and will see if I can renew it to similar conditions or have to go back to just watch 3rd party streaming for a year. They always seem to do a sub €30 deal around December if that would still be acceptable for you.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
June 02 2017 12:33 GMT
#5653
On June 02 2017 17:50 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah i think the American system is way better for streaming. One of my poker streamers literally went onto the Baseball website for example (MLB?) and bought a season pass and can stream whatever game he wants online for whatever price it is. No idea if it good value but you can't do that at all in England due to our amazing 3pm black outs on Saturday's which are still a thing.

I too would also pay a fee to watch all matches for selected teams that would be good. Never going happen in UK though due to our terrible black out laws xD


Thats not really financially efficient if you want to watch more than 1 sport. Its fine if Baseball is the only sport you will watch,
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 02 2017 13:45 GMT
#5654
Yeah that is true of course, but he just wanted to watch MLB as he had many bets going on the games, could also abuse it and watch multi streams with it xD
For this i mean if i could buy a premier league pass that would be great and watch all prem games for a fee be good. But alas in the UK it aint gonna happen

On June 02 2017 20:41 nojok wrote:
The real scandal is giving ManU money for the games they produced.

Haha :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
June 02 2017 15:31 GMT
#5655
Liverpool has the most TV games in PL. Are they the most loved team in England or "schedule luck" because of countless sunday games?
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
June 02 2017 15:59 GMT
#5656
Haha 1860 Munich investor has declined to supply the necessary funds for 3. Liga license so they will now be relegated into amateur divisions, either 4th or 5th tier.
However instead of now being rid of the dubious investor and a fully fresh start he wants to "guide rebuilding". This might be the worst possible outcome.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-02 21:25:47
June 02 2017 21:24 GMT
#5657
On June 03 2017 00:59 sneirac wrote:
Haha 1860 Munich investor has declined to supply the necessary funds for 3. Liga license so they will now be relegated into amateur divisions, either 4th or 5th tier.
However instead of now being rid of the dubious investor and a fully fresh start he wants to "guide rebuilding". This might be the worst possible outcome.

Yup. Best outcome atleast according to many supporters would be a fresh start in the lower leagues without the investor. The worst imagible outcome beforehand was playing regularly in 3rd league but still with the investor. Now they have the worst of both cases.

But apparantly the BFV (basically the states soccer association) came out and said that they will not reward 1860 with a license for any league if Ismaik continues his patch of destruction (wants alot of things that are not possible in the better German Leagues). So now everything is really uncertain. Will Ismaik cut his losses? Will he haunt them forever? Will 1860 get any license next season for any league? A lot of drama and I'm sooooo happy that I'm not emotionally invested into that club.
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 04:34:19
June 03 2017 04:22 GMT
#5658
I was reading through the Facebook comments on the Match Of The Day post about Premier League payments and coming so close to replying to some of the idiotic posts before I realized how pointless trying to argue with some idiots is. I guess that's why Teamliquid is such a good place to talk about football. Everyone here is at least vaguely educated or at least reasonably rational. Differences of opinion and fan biased we have but normally things get discussed at least reasonably sensibly.

The 1860 situation sounds crazy. Blackpool fans where confused because they hate their owners but still want the club to do well an get promoted. 1860 just sounds like a disaster. Are the investors some how making money? Why would they stay if everything’s falling apart and everyone hates them. Just stubborn?

edit: Also Ajax's run in the Europa League really helped out the Dutch UEFA coeffiecent.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
June 03 2017 04:59 GMT
#5659
On June 03 2017 13:22 Greg_J wrote:
The 1860 situation sounds crazy. Blackpool fans where confused because they hate their owners but still want the club to do well an get promoted. 1860 just sounds like a disaster. Are the investors some how making money? Why would they stay if everything’s falling apart and everyone hates them. Just stubborn?

Ismaik atleast says that he is emotionally invested in the club. He wants 1860 to flourish again (briefly mentioned Red Bull who started as a 5th league team or something) BUT wants/needs more power. That power is something a) the whole club (president etc) is not willing to give him and b) is impossible to realize as we have that 50+1 rule in Germany that disallows a few of his demands.
Additional problem at the moment: Ismaik wants to reestablish his favourite ceo who is hated within the club aswell. If those two parties can't find a compromise they need to vote for an emergency management that is ultimately the only one who can communicate with the federal association.
That management could potentially declare bankruptcy and then we're entering a field I have really no idea about. But Ismaik could just keep his shares of the club and do absolutely nothing and wait until people come and ask him for money again if they suddenly play 10th league and do not get immediately promoted. From what I read the old fans would prefer a last league involvement over Ismaik so that might not happen.

Most seem to agree that he has no clue about either Germany or Football and whatever he tries here will fail.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 07:42:02
June 03 2017 07:40 GMT
#5660
On June 03 2017 13:59 smr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2017 13:22 Greg_J wrote:
The 1860 situation sounds crazy. Blackpool fans where confused because they hate their owners but still want the club to do well an get promoted. 1860 just sounds like a disaster. Are the investors some how making money? Why would they stay if everything’s falling apart and everyone hates them. Just stubborn?

Ismaik atleast says that he is emotionally invested in the club. He wants 1860 to flourish again (briefly mentioned Red Bull who started as a 5th league team or something) BUT wants/needs more power. That power is something a) the whole club (president etc) is not willing to give him and b) is impossible to realize as we have that 50+1 rule in Germany that disallows a few of his demands.
Additional problem at the moment: Ismaik wants to reestablish his favourite ceo who is hated within the club aswell. If those two parties can't find a compromise they need to vote for an emergency management that is ultimately the only one who can communicate with the federal association.
That management could potentially declare bankruptcy and then we're entering a field I have really no idea about. But Ismaik could just keep his shares of the club and do absolutely nothing and wait until people come and ask him for money again if they suddenly play 10th league and do not get immediately promoted. From what I read the old fans would prefer a last league involvement over Ismaik so that might not happen.

Most seem to agree that he has no clue about either Germany or Football and whatever he tries here will fail.

And now he wants to sue against 50+1. Fucking 1860 I swear... If he goes through with this and he wins ( which is likely if he actually does it) holy shiieet. This will ruffle some jimmies. Would be another Bosmann (just German Football specific). Also Ismaik could never visit anything in Germany without atleast a horde of bodyguards.

I swear to God. If 1860, by then playing in the fucking 5th league or so, is the reason we lose 50+1 I'm gonna have a fucking stroke.
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