Phins begin their chase for their 4th straight offseason championship. But don't worry guys this is the year their combination of expensive veterans and qb/managment carousel dethrones the pats, just like 2013 2014 and 2015

GTR

51299 Posts

March 08 2016 00:19 GMT

#63

last place i expected

Jaaaaasper

United States10225 Posts

March 08 2016 00:44 GMT

#64

Man the Eagles are shedding all their terrible contracts in one day.

giftdgecko

United States2126 Posts

March 08 2016 00:58 GMT

#65

Really surprised eagles got someone to take maxwell. I wonder if it's one of those we will give you kiko for x pick but you gotta take this guy too.

What a fire sale though

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

March 08 2016 01:29 GMT

#66

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QuanticHawk

United States32026 Posts

March 08 2016 03:08 GMT

#67

so the net gain from trading mccoy is going to be a compensational round pick and no rbs worth a damn - awesome management

cLutZ

United States19571 Posts

March 08 2016 03:19 GMT

#68

^Not a bad haul for another overpaid running back.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

March 08 2016 03:34 GMT

#69

NFL contracts seem so bizarre to me, compared to NBA/MLB contracts. I'm never quite sure if they're measured on impact or supply/demand. I know the shelf life of an NFL player is the shortest, but it seems like the only sport where paying a player in the prime of their career is a bad thing.

Even 2-3 years ago, Calvin wasn't worth his contract on the field. It's like QB and TE are the only two positions that are worth a max. QB because they're indispensable and hard to find, and TE because they're even more artificially capped than other positions.

I guess NFL teams have a lot more power to shake off bad contracts/make bad deals.

cLutZ

United States19571 Posts

March 08 2016 03:53 GMT

#70

On March 08 2016 12:34 Jibba wrote:
NFL contracts seem so bizarre to me, compared to NBA/MLB contracts. I'm never quite sure if they're measured on impact or supply/demand. I know the shelf life of an NFL player is the shortest, but it seems like the only sport where paying a player in the prime of their career is a bad thing.

Even 2-3 years ago, Calvin wasn't worth his contract on the field. It's like QB and TE are the only two positions that are worth a max. QB because they're indispensable and hard to find, and TE because they're even more artificially capped than other positions.

I guess NFL teams have a lot more power to shake off bad contracts/make bad deals.

NBA is simple: Max contacts mean Lebron, etc can't get paid what they are worth. If you look at David Lee, Joe Johnson, etc you see that you can't build a competitive team in the NBA paying players "what they are worth".

In MLB they have no cap, so you can win paying players what they are worth, but even for the Dodgers and Yankees this is now prohibitively expensive, so having great players on rookie deals is necessary to be good.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

March 08 2016 04:41 GMT

#71

I'm not trying to move the NBA cap discussion over to this thread. It just seems like the NFL doesn't fit in either of those situations. It's even worse than the NBA in regards to caps and for most positions the only good contract is a rookie contract.

cLutZ

United States19571 Posts

March 08 2016 05:12 GMT

#72

That is because the only good contact is an underpriced contact, which means rookies. Also IMO elite QBs like Brady, Manning, Rodgers have had vastly underpriced contracts (setting aside when they intentionally take less) which is why they win consistently. Like if luck didn't sign until after his franchise tag ended, he'd probably be able to get 40 million+ per year. Its just his team would be 8-8 or worse every season because it would be crippled.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

March 08 2016 14:42 GMT

#73

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andrewlt

United States7702 Posts

March 08 2016 16:00 GMT

#74

Compared to the NBA, I'd say that it's also because of how hard the NFL is on the body of players. Paying 5-15 year veterans in the NBA can be worth it because their experience makes up for their declining athleticism. Those 5-15 NFL year veterans can be too banged up physically that they can't make up for it in experience. The qb position is pretty much the exception. Teams just want enough veterans so their experience can rub off on the rookies.

Then there are positions like rb where teams should really want only players on rookie contracts or veterans' minimums.

y0su

Finland7871 Posts

March 08 2016 16:31 GMT

#75

RIP

I'll be at the bottom of a bottle

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

March 08 2016 16:36 GMT

#76

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QuanticHawk

United States32026 Posts

March 08 2016 17:49 GMT

#77

jibba officially has nothing left to live for rip

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

March 08 2016 20:16 GMT

#78

I don't quite get why so many experts have the Niners drafting a QB (Goff) in the first round. That's not what Baalke likes to do. If they draft a QB, it will almost certainly be third round or later. I'd much rather see the Niners take someone like Myles Jack at 7 to help with rebuilding the interior of the defense.

cLutZ

United States19571 Posts

March 08 2016 20:44 GMT

#79

Here is the thing, if you love a QB you draft him, hands down. As we discussed above they are the only position in the league that gives you 20+ million in value a year. Even if you only think he is going to be Dalton/Matt Ryan its probably worth it. The issue is if you don't think you have a comparative advantage in drafting QBs over drafting Defense then your strategy is correct because a lot of QBs don't perform that well on their rookie deals.

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

March 08 2016 21:11 GMT

#80

On March 09 2016 05:44 cLutZ wrote:
Here is the thing, if you love a QB you draft him, hands down. As we discussed above they are the only position in the league that gives you 20+ million in value a year. Even if you only think he is going to be Dalton/Matt Ryan its probably worth it. The issue is if you don't think you have a comparative advantage in drafting QBs over drafting Defense then your strategy is correct because a lot of QBs don't perform that well on their rookie deals.

I agree. I just don't think that Goff is a guy that the Niners brass is going to love that much.