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On November 28 2015 10:29 JimmiC wrote:
The Bruins rangers game was a awesome watch today lots chances, physical great game. To bad about stepan but nothing wrong with the hit, Stephan just in and spot on ice and watching his pass.
it was maybe slightly late but i agree he's been caught way too many times now watching passes. still not as bad as anisimov at that. people finish checks, be ready for it.
that malkin goal damnnnn
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Part of the reason no one broke 90 points last year was because 2 of the top point getters last year missed over a month each because of injuries. This year I'll be surprised if Kane, Benn or Seguin don't break 100 points. Kane has a 19 game point streak and is playing out of this world this year
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Canada8160 Posts
I would have said Kane is the favorite to get the most points, the man is a monster.
Beauty goal by Malkin too
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agreed, all 3 of those guys are currently hovering around 1.5ppg through a decent chunk of the season and it's obviously not the first time for any of them. I would be pretty surprised if they didn't all break 100 if they stay healthy.
I think the rest of the top scorers will be 90ish and below probably. I do think part of the drop in 1st line scoring is def tied to teams having more depth and using it, so that's part of why there's probably less people over a PPG than the past few years
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iirc, more than a few times that was brought up last year by MSM and in our thread and else where. I definitely recall seeing stats pulled about TOI for stars and then across the board. I think 2nd and 3rd line usage was way up.
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I think the craziest thing this year is that Crosby and Ovi aren't even mentioned in considering top point getter. If you told most of us 5 years ago that either of those 2 wouldn't be near the top in points you'd call bullshit.
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to be fair to OV, if he played 4 more games at his pace he'd be 4th.
No idea what is wrong with Crosby though. Though I've felt for ages that is a team that isn't really put together well. Top heavy worked last decade or so. Pitt is better than in years past as far as depth, but you can't continue to roll out shit bottom six like they did the last few years.
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OBVIOUSLY KESSEL HAS HIM EATING TOO MANY HOT DOGS AND NOT BRINGING GRITENSITY.
edit: Pittsburgh is really weird this year. They just aren't scoring, in general. They have 4 guys with over 10 points. They have scored less goals than the Leafs, the Sabres, and 10 less than the damned Oilers. They were always gonna be top heavy but you'd expect more production from the top 6. Maybe it's a shooting percentage or PDO thing that will get better? I dunno. Also, I'm pretty sure their power play has been rather poor.
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The Pens are a victim of their own doing. They have no depth year after year and their fans wonder why they bow out every year early int eh playoffs. Crosby's production is definitely an abberation from his normal play but it's to a point where teams especially the West but the East is starting to really catch on as well to having 3-4 really deep lines and the Pens have 2 at best. The Pens cup winning team has probably been their deepest team in years and it still didn't have th depth the Hawks or Kings have had in recent years.
In some ways it's kinda disappointing that between Crosby and Ovi they have a grand total of 1 Cup, but at the same time they've been given shit teams around them. The way the league is now you need 3 solid lines offensively and 5 solid dmen minimum.
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Canada8160 Posts
Crosby is way to injury prone, i'd give him top 7
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On December 01 2015 05:05 Flaccid wrote:
OBVIOUSLY KESSEL HAS HIM EATING TOO MANY HOT DOGS AND NOT BRINGING GRITENSITY.
edit: Pittsburgh is really weird this year. They just aren't scoring, in general. They have 4 guys with over 10 points. They have scored less goals than the Leafs, the Sabres, and 10 less than the damned Oilers. They were always gonna be top heavy but you'd expect more production from the top 6. Maybe it's a shooting percentage or PDO thing that will get better? I dunno. Also, I'm pretty sure their power play has been rather poor.
to be fair i think a lot of that is tied to crosby being straight up awful this year and that's not exaggeration. He's on pace for something in the neighborhood of 40pts getting some of the most TOI out of any forwards.
my bet is just a nagging injury or a rough cold streak (he's shooting 7.7, career is 14.2 which is bonkers). as much as he's a little shit he's way too good to be that bad.
Also Dubinsky murdering him a few days ago didn't help
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On December 02 2015 01:08 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 05:05 Flaccid wrote:
OBVIOUSLY KESSEL HAS HIM EATING TOO MANY HOT DOGS AND NOT BRINGING GRITENSITY.
edit: Pittsburgh is really weird this year. They just aren't scoring, in general. They have 4 guys with over 10 points. They have scored less goals than the Leafs, the Sabres, and 10 less than the damned Oilers. They were always gonna be top heavy but you'd expect more production from the top 6. Maybe it's a shooting percentage or PDO thing that will get better? I dunno. Also, I'm pretty sure their power play has been rather poor. to be fair i think a lot of that is tied to crosby being straight up awful this year and that's not exaggeration. He's on pace for something in the neighborhood of 40pts getting some of the most TOI out of any forwards. my bet is just a nagging injury or a rough cold streak (he's shooting 7.7, career is 14.2 which is bonkers). as much as he's a little shit he's way too good to be that bad. Also Dubinsky murdering him a few days ago didn't help
I rather dislike Crosby since I think he's a whiner, but that cross check by Dubinsky was disgusting. Doing that to a player who has a history of head and neck injury just makes it even worse. Naturally he went on to assist on the Game Winner too...
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eh I don't think he meat to pop him in the head there since he hit him in the back and rolled up, not like he directly went high.,. Sucky but shit happens, probably wouldn't have been more than a penalty if he didn't pop him again while down
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eh as a troglodyte who enjoys fighting and all that jazz, I agree on one level. As a coach (in a diff sport but still) a power play is a hell of a lot more valuable than going down a man, especially if it means you're losing a top 6 player in return. I think it sends a good message to back your teammates, but at the same time it's really hard to sit and say that's more valuable than going a man up. I mean shit, it would be dirty as hell, but if your main goal is revenge, take the PP, score, and spend the rest of the game trying to kill him is still way more productive.
I definitely do not think the problem with the Pens is that they need to trade in scoring for grit considering that they're already in the bottom 5 for scoring. Lucic is a bastard, but obviously useful. But the 20-30-50 you'll probably get out of him for $6.5+ a year (I would say $7+ easy if he goes UFA) is not worth the elite, generate offense on his own you get with Kessel for slightly more. Lucic would have to personally kill the leading scorer on every team to have that kind of impact on a nightly basis. And Kessel's style of play ages a hell of a lot better than Lucic's
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bernier to the marlies....... possibly another leaf goalie bites the dust.....
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in regards to Kessel, it's not like the Pens gave up that much. It made sense to get a great player while Crosby and Malkin are still in their primes.
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